The Prodigal Brummie
Villiers Street Winson Green (1970s?)
Lyn if you had walked to the left of the gates for about 200/300yds , you'd come across about 20 cottages on Lodge Rd where some of the warders lived . This was late 50's very early 60's , at lunchtime you could see some of them coming home for lunch every warder had about two foot of chain hanging out of their pocket with the keys jangling in their pocket . Do not forget either "Wilson in Winson" this was the heading for an advert in the Evening Mail by the train robbers to get him out , he got out over the wall .View attachment 124555 yes they were BB and we dont know where they have gone either...its deffo the prison gates here is todays view taken from villiers st.. and here is a photo of them
Phil it must have been the chain rattling then, this was in the late 50's very early 60's as I said , warders were warders in those days not like the G4S guarding them nowadays .Williamstreeter
Just a point, the only key that the warder would have had on those chains would be their front door key as no keys were allowed out of the prison. Even outside contractors working in the prison had to undergo a very strict security check every time they entered and left through those gates.
Astonian I couldn't agree with you more the old warders were the best , someone told me in the late 60's there were more gangsters in G4S than what there were in London , how true that was I don't know , but they certainly ain't prisonwarderswilliam streeter yes you are correct there was no riots in that prison at winson green because before the goverment sold out to private sectorthere was prison officiers there was called HMP prison officiers and these me was big tall men and ex forces and police officers they was toughen men whom could handle people and they was regentmentaly trained the prisonors would not step out of line or there back chat to these officiers and they gained respect from the prisonors officiers and prisonors was disoplined by the officiers and they was called to answer back and call him sir they stood no nonsense from any of them i have spoken to one or two old HMP officiers over the year or two and spoke to them about today carrying on he said themselfes if they was back in command these situations would not carry on it was the biggest mistake this goverment ever done they only used to carry one key each there would be two officiers on one landing meaning a one wing and they was checked in and out on and off duty through the gates they used the wicket gat for ladders they woud open the big side of the gates like also the lorrys came through as well it was only vistors of familys that had to walk throgh the wickey gate for visiting and once through there you had to wait whilst they closed that gat like wise deliverys they would be trapped between the togages as ther is large gages after the front gates lories was checked in and out bounds and there was a stench of urinals flowing in the wind from the prison wings itself up to the front gates in the early fiftys there was only one break out front the front gates and that there was a prison officier by the name of wooly whom got caught with his trouser so to speak some one nicked his key and made a soap impresion and they stole is key they got out of the wing and through to the gate house where he threatend to kill s with a so called gun in his hand he walked out for so long before he got caught the prison officier got laughted had and every time he was on the wing they called bang , bang but there was never any riots with in that period of forty and fiftys and cells was searched regular for contraband butvthese guys wasbthe real gansters of yesters years safe blowers and big time robbers and fraudesters and they showed respect to the officiers they bhad no choice any way when they was caught by police it was hands up officier officer and they walked with the copper on the street and showed respect but getting back to winson green a couple of years ago i visit winson green and much to my surprized i could see why there is riots for a start the prison officers aint really prison officers they was little stout people men and omen whom can hardly walk some with long hair down the back and little people thats how the prisoners fore seen they are not robust people from all different trades post men traffic wardend and christ not what else yes i agre they do there best and very long hours but i can there would not be the same as our old HmP WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THESE PRISON OFFICIERS THEY ARE DOING LIFE TIME AS PRISISONER Alan Astonian;;