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They Were Caught In Our Old Street Pics...

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I think it is possible that it is a Jowett Javelin but the last time I identified a car on this forum as a Jowett it turned out to be a Vauxhall
 
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Onceabrummie said:
Another cracking picture, where was it and how come so many trams in line? Now one for the experts with the magnifying glasses and the infinite knowledge that seems to flow from the members of the forum...It is obviously post war from the FOB reg'd Austin in the queue but what make is the car that is number 10 in the line? Could it be a Jowett Javelin?

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The Remakable Jowett Javelin...journey to the Continent....with its intriguing engine...it is the only "flat four" engine in common use....

From the Illustrated Sporting and Dramatic News of April 1952.
 
I'm not sure about No 1 or No 10, I don't think No 1 is an Alvis and No 10 might be a Javelin but could also be a Volvo of the same era, I see a Ford 8, an Austin 8 maybe, an Austin 10 van alongside a Wolseley
 
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Another cracking picture, where was it and how come so many trams in line?
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It is the Horsefair and I presume there must have been a big traffic jam ahead. Notice how the upper deck windows on one tram are 'steamed up' !
 
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In post 2089, the one with five tramcars in line, the last car is on route 36 to Cotteridge. The second looks like a 70 to Rednal ( can only see the zero) and judging by the condensation and that the car seems well laden could suggest rush hour services to or from Longbridge.
 
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upload_2017-3-28_16-45-33.jpeg An Alvis mascot and car badge for you all to consider, looked at No 10 again and moved away from the Jowett, could be the Volvo or is an American Car?, there used to be one or two around after the war, there was a Hudson Terraplane (I used to love that name) that was parked on the pavement of Chester Road between Gravelly Lane and Chester Road station. The Wolsley is obvious and as is the Bedford lorry, is that van that you can see the top of a Morris Comercial?
 
Yes as you say there was no discrimination in those very true, and they had patient drivers ,whom would wait and watch
the member of public would be on board and elite from the platform when embarking ,not like todays bus drivers
driving off whilst you have only just stepped on board and produced your fare or ticket and you go flying
down the isle, and you can also say these tram drivers was always dressed smartly and politely to there passenengers
today the bus drivers dress untidy and untidy uniforms and very inpolite to passengers
the dress code went out of the window when the trams finish permantly
and regards getting off some trams yes they would stop two or tree tracks in the road from the kirb
and correctly said some had the inlane to the kirb
and whilst i have mentioniond the kirb does any body recall them , they was made of steel
my uncle bill smart used to work on the corporation in gangs of workers laying these steel kerbs all over birmingham in his younger days
often use to see him laying the kirbs down the lichfield road and aston road north aston cross regular when i was a little whipper snapper
and he lived by ythe chinns in whitehouse street by the Albion pub
 
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The DT reg car appears to have a triangular badge on the radiator. Based on this and the bonnet cap I am guessing an ALVIS.
The second car has a single windscreen wiper on the top edge of the windscreen above the drivers head.
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What model is the first car DT 7826? In today's world how long would it be before the emblem on the bonnet was nicked?

The second car does not appear to have a windscreen wiper.
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I'm pretty sure the DT car is a Triumph Gloria from about 1935. The old Ford windscreen wipers were dreadful things operated by vacuum pump - the faster you went, the slower went the wipers except that a hefty 'thump' on the internal motor wold produce an extra wipe.
 
Thanks Eric. I think the curved bumper settles it although some of the Glorias did have a straight bumper in the photos. Remarkable similarities between two cars built over 10 years apart by different manufacturers. Perhaps the design team moved from one company to the other.
 
The modern idea among the boy racers of lowering the suspension wouldn't work on that Pedrocut, it's already dragging its butt on the ground. :)
 
They had heard about a man going round taking photographs and here he was suddenly in their court No 15, Navigation Street. They watched as he put down his case, set up his camera and tripod, and chalked their address on their window shutter. They continued to stand and watch as he took photographs. The photographer then packed up his equipment and left but they were caught in an Old Street pic.
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I showed a heavily cropped version of this newspaper seller in #1952 but we weren't sure where in the city centre he was located. Near Snow Hill station was the best bet. I have just found the negative so I am showing an uncropped version. The bus going past is a number 22 to Kitwell. The photograph was taken in the 1980s. Dave.
 

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Another Evening Mail newspaper stand but I think at a different location from the one above. Again, the 1980s. The chap looks like a doorman from a hotel. The headline that day stated: Aid Plane Blasted; 5 die. Dave.

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I showed a heavily cropped version of this newspaper seller in #1952 but we weren't sure where in the city centre he was located. Near Snow Hill station was the best bet. I have just found the negative so I am showing an uncropped version. The bus going past is a number 22 to Kitwell. The photograph was taken in the 1980s. Dave.
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Nice clear photo and that clock looks familiar perhaps it could be the one in a thread here
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/clocks.45336/
but I have to say I'm not certain because of the tree trunk in the left of the pic ...
 
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Is the branch of "Ratners" a clue. Not familiar with the Kitwell bus route, confess I have had to look up Kitwell on GoogleMap.
 
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The no. 22 would be one of the Harborne buses and would be doing the rounds,New Street, Corporation Street, Bull Street. Colmore Row. My guess would be Corporation Street with the paper seller in Union Street. I am sure I have seen that kiosk with the handwritten notice.
 
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Another Evening Mail newspaper stand but I think at a different location from the one above. Again, the 1980s. The chap looks like a doorman from a hotel. The headline that day stated: Aid Plane Blasted; 5 die. Dave.

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Definitely opposite Snow Hill Station. The man with the top hat was probably what today we would call a security guard for Great Western Arcade. Following picture link shows a Beadle in Burlington Arcade in London, the oldest and smallest police force in the country.
<a href="https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Locat...urlington_Arcade-London_England.html#50431697"><img alt="" src="https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/01/86/d1/burlington-arcade-s-police.jpg"/></a><br/>This photo of Burlington Arcade is courtesy of TripAdvisor
 
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I think the seller would have been at the entrance to Warwick passage. The 1973 Kellys shows a Ratners at 33 Corporation st (in red on the map) and google streetview shows the clock still there
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farmerdave said:
I showed a heavily cropped version of this newspaper seller in #1952 but we weren't sure where in the city centre he was located. Near Snow Hill station was the best bet. I have just found the negative so I am showing an uncropped version. The bus going past is a number 22 to Kitwell. The photograph was taken in the 1980s. Dave.
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Have a look here, if you scroll down I think you will see the Nathan's clock in Corporation Street.
https://publicclockthis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/birmingham-part-1-city-centre.html
 
In the set of negatives I found yesterday the one taken after the paper-seller is higher up Corporation Street looking back towards New Street. A 52 bus to Perry Beeches via Walsall Road is shown as well as the Nathan Clock. Can't quite see Ratners as it is obscured but there is an advert for Rolex watches. Lloyds Bank and Laskys (radio and electronics sales?) can also be seen. Some of the car registrations start with a letter D (1987?). Some Christmas decorations can be seen on the right hand side, higher up. Interestingly, there is a tree on the left hand side of the photograph, which is probably the one featured in the paper-seller photograph. Congratulations to those who said the newspaper-seller was located in Corporation Street. Dave.
 

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