Hello Janice, Mile and Astonian, thank you so much for all your help in my search, I am learning so many new pieces of Rose and Harry's life. It looks as if I can almost plot their lives via the various pubs and establishments they ran throughout Birmingham. I certainly didn't know that Rose ran a coffee house so will check that out and I have just found an entry for Albert Grubham, their son who ran a pub I believe called the Station Inn at 72 Saltley road so it looks like there are three generations of Publicans in the family. My husband is getting really excited at the idea of a pub crawl visiting all their old establishments. A lot of these pubs look like they are close by to other family addresses too such as bloomsbury street and cato street so I wonder if some of the branches of our family actually met up at their pubs. My Nan once mentioned to my brother that she and my grandad used to go for a drink with Rose and Harry, this would have been before they had a huge falling out and the Grubham's were never to be spoken of again for some reason. Maybe they used to visit one of the pubs we have found. I must get hold of an old map of Birmingham and plot all the various addresses on it to see who was living were and when. I am in the process of writting a family history novel at present and it would be lovely to include some mentions of Rose and Harry in amongst it all. Thank you all so much for your help, it is facinating. Ps Janice re the family you mention Rose and Harry didn't have any daughters called Betty and Hilda as far as I know, just Gladys but I will take a look, you never know. Regards Maria