The Eagle and Ball Pub

[snail1956]

As this is my first post, I'm hoping that I'm correctly following all the rules. I'm researching the name of the Eagle and Ball pub, I know that there used to be three Eagle and Ball pubs in Birmingham, but now only on remains, being rebuilt as part of the Universities expansion. However, no where else in the Country can I find a pub named the Eagle and Ball. So I'm assuming that the name has something to do with Birmingham, but I've drawn a blank. Can anyone please help and explain what the pub name means or what it is named after.

 

[Davidsteam]

Would these be (1) Gopsal St (surviving as students union), (2) 70 Ladywood Road Thomas Palser (1912 Directory)and (3) Morville St - George Palser (1861/2Census and Directory).
2 and 3 seem to be a strange coincidence, 2 different Eagle and Ball pubs both listed with Palsers?

David

 

[Pedrocut]

If I remember rightly somewhere on the Forum we have encountered the Eagle and Balls. I think I got my Balls mixed up again.

 

[mikejee]

In 1912 the three Eagle & Balls were 70 Ladywood Road, 1 mosely St & 12 PennSt . As can be seen from the c1950 map, 70 Ladywood Road is on the corner with Morville st, so they have merely changed their address to be on the other street at the corner (which has happened in other cases).
However the first Eagle and Ball was in Colmore St, which disappeared when New St station was built. It states in "The old Taverns of Birmingham" by Eliezer Edwards (pub 1879) that it was originally called the Eagle, but was always called the Eagle & Ball because in a niche above the door there was an Eagle perched on a globe

 

[Davidsteam]

Thanks for the map extract. I am struggling to find Ladywood Road on a modern map, is it now Ladywood Parkway?

 

[mikejee]

Yes, though widened considerably

 

[Phil]

I have been looking for a photo of The Eagle & Ball in the corner of Moseley Street and Sherlock Street for ages and I'm still looking so of anybody comes across one I wouldn't mind a copy. Here are the ones on Penn Street-Gopsal Street an d Ladywood Road Morville Street.

 

[Davidsteam]

What a sad photo of the pub on Morville street, I take it this now the site of the Five ways medical centre?
This is the pub George Palser was the landlord (1861 census) who was my gt,gt grandfather. His photo is in the Palser thread on this forum.
Nice conclusion to an old photo of a nameless family member.

 

[Davidsteam]

Post Script.
Just checking on maps.nls.uk, the actual site of the pub is lost under the eastbound carriageway of Ladywood Middleway.

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sid...=52.4754&lon=-1.9223&layers=168&right=BingHyb

 

[Covade]

Here's a 2d pub token from the Eagle & Ball, licensee was John Siddall, anyone any idea what years he was there please?

 

[Davidsteam]

Interesting item, what is its purpose? I can only guess it is along the lines of what we would call a credit note today
whats on the other side?

 

[mikejee]

See http://www.numsoc.net/pubtokens.html

 

[patricia NASH]

As this is my first post, I'm hoping that I'm correctly following all the rules. I'm researching the name of the Eagle and Ball pub, I know that there used to be three Eagle and Ball pubs in Birmingham, but now only on remains, being rebuilt as part of the Universities expansion. However, no where else in the Country can I find a pub named the Eagle and Ball. So I'm assuming that the name has something to do with Birmingham, but I've drawn a blank. Can anyone please help and explain what the pub name means or what it is named after.

the eagle and ball was corner of jamacia row and pershore st st i used to go there in the late sixties , the gaffer then was larry bridges ex copper we had some great lockins o happy days of long ago

 

[patricia NASH]

eagle and ball corner of jamica row and pershore st the gaffer in the late sixties was larry bridges ex copper digbeth polce station we had some great lockins in the sixties happy days

 

[RobT]

Is this the Eagle and Ball from, 1 Moseley Street/28 Sherlock Street?
Supposedly recognised by locals, but perhaps later in it's life.

 

[RobT]

And according to 1818-20 Pigots wasn't there another Eagle & Ball pub (only one at that time)
with a Jos Warden running it, in Colmore Row?
Still there in 1835 Pigots, with Jos Warden, but says 13 Colmore Street.
1849 White's , with Jas Onions, 13 Colmore Street. (still only one at this time)

1852 Slater's, no mention of above now
Eagle & Ball, Pen Street, licensee John Huskisson

1858 Dix
Eagle & Ball, 12 Penn Street, licensee Elizabeth Morris
Eagle & Ball, 1 Moseley Street, licensee George Docker

 

[pjmburns]

Here's a 2d pub token from the Eagle & Ball, licensee was John Siddall, anyone any idea what years he was there please?

John Siddall is listed in the directory of 1872 as running a beerhouse at 70 Ladywood Road - which is the location of the Eagle and ball shown on a map as the corner of Ladywood Road and Morville Street.
He is listed on 1871 census at that address as a publican but no name given for the premises. He died in 1877.

 

[Covade]

Interesting item, what is its purpose? I can only guess it is along the lines of what we would call a credit note today
whats on the other side?

Hi, here's a picture of the other side.The link mikejee posted is useful, I've got two theories, first is that if your mate bought a round and you'd already got a drink you got a token instead to redeem later or secondly maybe you gave the landlord a shilling and got more value back in tokens so it tied you to the pub and also if your missus asked for money you could genuinley say you'd got none! These tokens come up regularly on eBay, sometimes for a few quid and occasionally for three figures. They're the last tangible remains of some pubs....

 

[Astoness]

yes i agree covade these pub tokens are very often all that is left of so many lost pubs...i have a little list of tokens to look for but only for pubs that have a meaning to me...so far i have got 2 out of the 12 that interest me

lyn

 

[patricia NASH]

Is this the Eagle and Ball from, 1 Moseley Street/28 Sherlock Street?
Supposedly recognised by locals, but perhaps later in it's life.

View attachment 154662

yes this is the one mosely st

 

[Susan shaw]

yes this is the one mosely st

Hi Patricia, Welcome to the forum. I am fairly new myself.
I used to live in Gopsal Street . I spent a very happy childhood there. Our family moved from there to Sheldon in 1968. The Eagle and Ball was one of many pubs used by our families. We had The Kings Arms, The Railway, The Black Horse and The Duke of York I don’t think my post will help you in any way but I just wanted to mention to you that “I was there”. I do not know any history on the pub I’m afraid but I do know they had great Christmas parties for us local children. It was a great area, with lots of relatives living by us. #7 is how I remember the pub. It looks quite different now, they have done a wonderful job on the refurb. It is used by the Students . There is a fab photograph on the site somewhere, I will try and find it for you. I haven’t been down there for a look for a few years, though we are regular visitors to town via Curzon Street. (before lockdown of course). Unfortunately, little is known about Gopsal Street, Howe Street and Cardigan Street, so I got very excited when I saw your post. On the plus side I have found great pictures of Curzon Street, Belmont Row, A B Row and surrounding streets which have meant so much to me. The team and members of BHF do a wonderful job in providing information and photographs for us Brummies. I cannot thank them enough. I am sure they will be able to help you with your research.
Good luck and thank you. Hope this post is not too off thread. Kind regards, Sue

 

[patricia NASH]

hello susan , thanks for message , it was my husband who lived in that area his family had a shop in bishop street when he was older he used the eagle and ball i did not know it was still there, we left brum 28 yrs ago live in torquay devon he had a auntie who lived in sheldon just of the cov we very rarely visit brum we are now offical devon dumplings lol

 

[Susan shaw]

hello susan , thanks for message , it was my husband who lived in that area his family had a shop in bishop street when he was older he used the eagle and ball i did not know it was still there, we left brum 28 yrs ago live in torquay devon he had a auntie who lived in sheldon just of the cov we very rarely visit brum we are now offical devon dumplings lol

Aww, lovely part of the country. All the best, take care. Sue

 

[Davidsteam]

Im interested in the Morville St Eagle and Ball, particularly the history after 1861 (George Palser), Would the landlord have brewed his own beer or resold from a larger brewery? I see its an Ansells pub in the 50s or 60s photo, I presume its by then a tied house? Would Ansells have acquired through take overs of smaller brewing concerns?
Lastly I should love to see a George Palser beer token, or a Palser beer token for New Inns Muntz St!

 

[RobT]

Here's a 2d pub token from the Eagle & Ball, licensee was John Siddall, anyone any idea what years he was there please?View attachment 154554

In 1875 Whites Trade Directory, there was a J.Siddall, living at 70 Ladywood Road, although there is no mention of a pub at that address at that time.



In 1879 Birmingham Post Office Directory there is a Mrs. Sarah Siddall at 70 Ladywood Road,
beer retailer.

 

[joeboybollo]

yes this is the one mosely st

I remember that pub as we lived in Bishop Street round the corner.I distinctly remember the spikes on the window sills.Think they were there to discourage people sitting on there.Really lovely to see this picture as I can't find any photos whatsoever of Bishop Street and the immediately adjacent streets.I lived there from birth in 1944 until about 1958 when we were moved out as the house at 2/35 was deemed dangerous!!

 

[joeboybollo]

I have been looking for a photo of The Eagle & Ball in the corner of Moseley Street and Sherlock Street for ages and I'm still looking so of anybody comes across one I wouldn't mind a copy. Here are the ones on Penn Street-Gopsal Street anView attachment 120045 View attachment 120046 d Ladywood Road Morville Street.

My dad used to drink there in the 50's(the Moseley St.one.We lived in Bishop St.)

 

[DJRVST]

Is this the Eagle and Ball from, 1 Moseley Street/28 Sherlock Street?
Supposedly recognised by locals, but perhaps later in it's life.

View attachment 154662

Thank you for posting this. One of my wife's ancestors was landlord at 1 Moseley St in the late 1870's. Do you have any idea of the date of the photograph?

 

[Toni62]

Hi Patricia, Welcome to the forum. I am fairly new myself.
I used to live in Gopsal Street . I spent a very happy childhood there. Our family moved from there to Sheldon in 1968. The Eagle and Ball was one of many pubs used by our families. We had The Kings Arms, The Railway, The Black Horse and The Duke of York I don’t think my post will help you in any way but I just wanted to mention to you that “I was there”. I do not know any history on the pub I’m afraid but I do know they had great Christmas parties for us local children. It was a great area, with lots of relatives living by us. #7 is how I remember the pub. It looks quite different now, they have done a wonderful job on the refurb. It is used by the Students . There is a fab photograph on the site somewhere, I will try and find it for you. I haven’t been down there for a look for a few years, though we are regular visitors to town via Curzon Street. (before lockdown of course). Unfortunately, little is known about Gopsal Street, Howe Street and Cardigan Street, so I got very excited when I saw your post. On the plus side I have found great pictures of Curzon Street, Belmont Row, A B Row and surrounding streets which have meant so much to me. The team and members of BHF do a wonderful job in providing information and photographs for us Brummies. I cannot thank them enough. I am sure they will be able to help you with your research.
Good luck and thank you. Hope this post is not too off thread. Kind regards, Sue

My mom's family lived on Gospal St, we still call Curzon St Island, sylvie Island, after my mom.
Sylvia Smith

 

[RobT]

Thank you for posting this. One of my wife's ancestors was landlord at 1 Moseley St in the late 1870's. Do you have any idea of the date of the photograph?

Sorry no idea of date, would this have been Thomas Shorrock?