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The Custard House Blake St

col h

master brummie
Re: The Custard House, Blake Lane

If it helps. The border between Yardley and Bordesly was Blake Lane, at least till Yardley was incorporated into Bimingham in 1911.

The pic is from'Small Heath Remembered' by Bob Marsden. I bought it as a discarded library book. Most of the photos in it are pretty poor and look like photo copies, but not as bad as it looks on here. I'll scan it again in a different format tomorrow and see if it improves.

Looks A LOT better if you open the attachment in 'todays posts' rather than clicking on the image. its the one with the file name WWW jpeg.
 

db84124

Brummophile
Re: The Custard House, Blake Lane

Colin, your map in Post #42 is excellent. Could you possibly produce a second, equally clear rectangle which extends to the east beyond the end of Blakeland Street and corresponds with the map I posted in Post #40, i.e. which includes the whole of the "garden" of the big house, that I believe to be the real, original Custard House?
Would you please confirm that the map was published in 1890? Thank you, David

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col h

master brummie
Someone has sent me these ,still no real answer though.

Looks like its been a mystery for yonks. Sorry theyre in the wrong order, couldnt work out how to re arrange em.
 
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colin walker

Guest
The answer must lay in the following pages . when aston border was as far as small heath.


CUSTARD HOUSE FARM, GREEN LANES. [no ref. or date]


These documents are held at Birmingham City Archives


Lease for forty two years from Joseph Scott of Birmingham, linen draper, to Ambrose Pearman of Birmingham, butcher, of a messuage and land called the Custard House Farm near a place called the Green Lanes in the parish of Aston. MS 3375/442479 5 March 1765

Indenture of mortgage from Ambrose Pearman of the Green Lanes in the parish of Aston, butcher, to Rebecca Pritchett of Birmingham, widow, of a messuage and land called the Custard House Farm near the Green Lanes. MS 3375/442480 30 March 1709

Assignment of lease from Ambrose Pearman of Green Lanes in the parish of Aston, butcher, to William Cressull of Birmingham, cordwainer, of a messuage and land called the Custard House Farm near Green Lanes. Endorsed with assignment, dated 27 October, 1779, from William Crussell [Cressull] then of [London] to David Hallen of Birmingham, frying pan maker, of the said property. MS 3375/442481 25 July, 1772

Bond from Ambrose Pearman of Birmingham, butcher, to William Cressall of Birmingham, cordwainer, to secure performance of covenants. MS 3375/442482 25 July 1772

Assignment of mortgage from Rebecca Pritchett of Birmingham, widow, by the direction of Ambrose Pearman of the Green Lanes in the parish of Aston, butcher, to David Allen of Birmingham, frying pan maker, of a messuage and land called the Custard House Farm near the Green Lanes. MS 3375/442483 5 December 1772

Bond from Ambrose Pearman of the Green Lanes in the parish of Aston, butcher, to David Hallen of Birmingham, frying pan maker, to secure performance of covenants. MS 3375/442484 5 December 1772

Indenture between Ambrose Pearman of the Green Lanes in the parish of Aston, butcher, and David Hallen of Birmingham, frying pan maker, being a further charge upon a messuage and land called the Custard House Farm near the Green Lanes. MS 3375/442485 2 November 1773

Lease for seventeen and a half years, less three days, from Mary Haden of Erdington, spinster, to John Tonks of Erdington, farmer, of a messuage and land called the Custard House Farm near a place called the Green Lanes in the parish of Aston. MS 3375/442486 24 September 1789

Assignment from John Boylestone Hallen of Birmingham, gent., to Mary Haden of Erdington, spinster, of a messuage and land called the Custard House Farm near a place called the Green Lanes in the parish of Aston. MS 3375/442487 7 November 1789
 

brummie nick

master brummie
On the 1851 census this family are living there.


Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace
Allen EVERETT Head M 61 M Brasswire & Tube Maker Birmingham-War
Maria EVERETT Wife M 50 F --- Birmingham-War
William EVERETT Son U 20 M Clerk to His Father Handsworth-Stf
Eliza EVERETT Daur U 18 F --- Birmingham-War
Helen EVERETT Daur U 16 F --- Birmingham-War
Charles EVERETT Son U 22 M Solicitor London-Msx
Maria MORRELL Serv U 33 F House Servant Alvechurch-Wor
Charlotte EHESTON Serv U 20 F House Servant Exeter-Dev
Thomas GENT Serv U 34 M Groom & Gardener Appleby-Lec
Address: Green Lanes Custard House, Aston
Census Place: Aston Aston, Warwickshire
PRO Reference: HO/107/2060 Folio: 673 Page: 23 FHL Film: 0087316
 

db84124

Brummophile
Colin, That's absolutely perfect. Thank you very much. I'm extremely grateful for the plan, and also for the link, which I can assure you will be of tremendous use. Thank you.
I have written to the hon. secretary of the Small Heath Local History Society asking whether she - or one of their members - could add further information to our enquiries. I will of course post any relevant facts that I may receive as soon as something comes through.
I now believe that the "Apple Theory" is the most plausible. But I think the original Custard House was the large, tree-surrounded building a short distance away from the corner. Thanks to mikejee (Post #19), we know that the house on the corner was called "The Laurels". I believe the 1890 map uses the name "Custard House" more for the crossroads than a particular house. The large, imposing building marked "Lawn: House" in your post #51 is far more likely - in my opinion - to be the true, original Custard House.
brummie nick, Welcome aboard. Have you the means to go back further in time or add any other occupiers of the house? Thank you, David (db84124)
 

col h

master brummie
Question occurs to me, any way of finding out what was there before the House/Farm ?

could it be that it was named after the place ?
 
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colin walker

Guest
It will good db to find out about all the farms and the growth of birmingham into this area. look forward to what you find out. if anything turns up on my searches i shall put it on here.
colin
 

db84124

Brummophile
Re: The Custard House, Blake Lane

Another very useful map, Colin, but it doesn't show the detail of the one you sent in in Post #51.
Interesting to note that this map - dated 1885 - quite definitely shows a building named "Custard House" right on the corner ; but we know from mikejee (Post #19) that in 1883/4 the corner house was called "The Laurels" and that unfortunately in 1880 the area is not included in the Birmingham directory. Even in 1885, the corner is just beyond the proposed extension to the boundary of the borough of Birmingham.
Was there a directory for Yardley, or perhaps Warwickshire, which a member has access to?
By the way, Colin, where in Italy does your daughter live?

col h, absolutely fascinating to think that we are closing in - completely independently - on a very similar conclusion. Post #47 (#48) makes very interesting reading. Thank you. David
 
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db84124

Brummophile
Re: The Custard House, Blake Lane

Colin, having had a half-hour break from my fatherly chores, I've just been re-reading your Post #50. There is an obviously strong association between "Green Lanes" and "Green Lane" and your various excellent maps bearing the name "Custard House" in that very area. But if all the documents mentioned in Post #50 are held by Birmingham authorities because the land/properties were in the parish of Aston - I am fully aware that Aston's boundary extended to what is now Small Heath - why, on the 1885 map, was the Custard House outside the city limits? To me it seems contradictory: is it possible that the City Archives holds the official deeds/leases for an area which was outside the City's jurisdiction ???? David
 
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john knight

signman
Re: The Custard House, Blake Lane

Morning all,
These are from the 1867 Post Office directory, there is no mention of Hobmoor Road.
 

db84124

Brummophile
The Custard House, Blake Lane

Good morning John,
Now that is very interesting! If you look down the first, long, 1867 list, there is a house called "The Laurels" which is at least a street/road away from Blake Lane.
Yet in 1883/84 there was a house of the same name on the Yardley (Green) Road/ Hobmoor Road corner (Post #19). Is it possible that there were two houses with identical names in the same area? The name was the only means of identification before numbering came in later that century or at the beginning of the 1900s (please see mikejee's Post #4 in the thread "The Olives, Blake Lane "). Very strange ??!?
Is it just possible that, at that time, a house owner transferred a house's name to his new abode a little like keeping a certain telephone number today?
Surprising the number of surgeons, doctors and physicians appearing on various lists in that small area.
Have a good journey up to Birmingham - drive carefully. Best wishes, David

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