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The Birmingham gun trade, First World War

Pedrocut

Master Barmy
From the Evening Despatch, May 1915, a report from the annual meeting of the gun trade, and the effect of the War on the Birmingham gun-making trade.

“Since the declaration of war demand for sporting guns had practically ceased, on the eve of what promised to be an exceptionally good shooting season, both in the country and for export, which was of more importance in its volume....In no previous war had there been so little employment for the gun maker, nor, indeed, at any other time. In the Crimean War, the American War, and the Franco-Prussian War nearly every maker turned his attention to the hand-made weapons which were acceptable at that period, and a rich harvest was reaped both by masters and men.”
 

mw0njm.

brummie dude
From the Evening Despatch, May 1915, a report from the annual meeting of the gun trade, and the effect of the War on the Birmingham gun-making trade.

“Since the declaration of war demand for sporting guns had practically ceased, on the eve of what promised to be an exceptionally good shooting season, both in the country and for export, which was of more importance in its volume....In no previous war had there been so little employment for the gun maker, nor, indeed, at any other time. In the Crimean War, the American War, and the Franco-Prussian War nearly every maker turned his attention to the hand-made weapons which were acceptable at that period, and a rich harvest was reaped both by masters and men.”
......crafted gunsmiths made millions of hand crafted weapons .only to be destroyed after the war
 

mw0njm.

brummie dude
In August 1914, the father of the Birmingham gun trade, Henry Jones, dies at the age of 102...

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any more imput on this gun smith. Pedrocut?i cant find any
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mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
David Williams' book "The birmingham gun trade" does not mention any Henry Jones in the Index
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mikejee

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The newspaper archives give another obituary and also a couple of snippets that show his business went into bankruptcy , so presumably he worked for others after this.

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Pedrocut

Master Barmy
There is a Henry Jones Birmingham gunmaker from Hockley mentioned in the bankruptcy courts of the 1860s, and also what may have been his father in the 1830s
 

Pedrocut

Master Barmy
Henry Jones v Samuel Colt?

1835...Year of claimed invention (by Henry JONES) of the ‘self-acting revolving pistol, in Birmingham’. (The Ironmonger, 24/12/1910, p566)

(Research Press, Firearms, Long Range Target Shooting & Associated History)
 

Pedrocut

Master Barmy
In 1835 a Chas Jones, of Whittall Street, met the turkish embassador for purpose of examining Mr Jones's beautifully, newly invented patent gun....his wish Mr Jones should adopt his invention to military purposes...
 

mw0njm.

brummie dude
In 1835 a Chas Jones, of Whittall Street, met the turkish embassador for purpose of examining Mr Jones's beautifully, newly invented patent gun....his wish Mr Jones should adopt his invention to military purposes...
i would love to see his invention.
 

mw0njm.

brummie dude
Henry Jones v Samuel Colt?

1835...Year of claimed invention (by Henry JONES) of the ‘self-acting revolving pistol, in Birmingham’. (The Ironmonger, 24/12/1910, p566)

(Research Press, Firearms, Long Range Target Shooting & Associated History)
there is a club in the quarry here that fire them muzzle loaders.and black powder weapons....i tryd them.na ill stick to my blunderbuss
 

Pedrocut

Master Barmy
In August 1914, the father of the Birmingham gun trade, Henry Jones, dies at the age of 102...

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One of the nice things about the BHF is that it can unearth information that is not mentioned by previous persons who have looked very closely into certain subjects. Here we have a clip from 1914 that mentions a Henry Jones, the “King of Birmingham gun making” and yet he does't seem to get any mention in the “gun trade" information which is easily available. In the clip Henry Jones is said to have invented the self-acting revolving pistol in 1835.

However there is the another clip from 1835 that reports a Charles Jones of Whittall Street demonstrated the pistol to the Turkish Ambassador. There are references from at least 1833 of a Chas Jones, gun maker and medalist at 16 Whittall St and St. Mary's Square, and in 1862 at Alma Street. There is also a mention of a Henry Jones in 1849 at Park Road, 1855 at 6 Court Lench St, 1873 at 41 Islington Row, and 1890 at 10 New buildings Price St.

Of course Charles and Henry could be brothers, or father and son, or even the same person.

In the first clip it also says that in 1858 Henry perfectected a double grip action breech loader. There is a mention of a “Jones screw grip action, a patent 2040 of 1859” on the vintage Gun site below
Looking on further vintage gun sites it reveals....

“The screw grip was first patented in Britain by Henry Jones in 1859 - an "underlever screw grip for breech loading actions" - typically referred to in the trade as "Jones underlever" or "lever over guard" as Lagopus correctly stated. The Jones is a screw grip action. It's primary (and only) locking system is a screw grip.”

So we have the basis for anyone who has an interest in vintage guns to delve further.
 

mw0njm.

brummie dude
One of the nice things about the BHF is that it can unearth information that is not mentioned by previous persons who have looked very closely into certain subjects. Here we have a clip from 1914 that mentions a Henry Jones, the “King of Birmingham gun making” and yet he does't seem to get any mention in the “gun trade" information which is easily available. In the clip Henry Jones is said to have invented the self-acting revolving pistol in 1835.

However there is the another clip from 1835 that reports a Charles Jones of Whittall Street demonstrated the pistol to the Turkish Ambassador. There are references from at least 1833 of a Chas Jones, gun maker and medalist at 16 Whittall St and St. Mary's Square, and in 1862 at Alma Street. There is also a mention of a Henry Jones in 1849 at Park Road, 1855 at 6 Court Lench St, 1873 at 41 Islington Row, and 1890 at 10 New buildings Price St.

Of course Charles and Henry could be brothers, or father and son, or even the same person.

In the first clip it also says that in 1858 Henry perfectected a double grip action breech loader. There is a mention of a “Jones screw grip action, a patent 2040 of 1859” on the vintage Gun site below
Looking on further vintage gun sites it reveals....

“The screw grip was first patented in Britain by Henry Jones in 1859 - an "underlever screw grip for breech loading actions" - typically referred to in the trade as "Jones underlever" or "lever over guard" as Lagopus correctly stated. The Jones is a screw grip action. It's primary (and only) locking system is a screw grip.”
So we have the basis for anyone who has an interest in vintage guns to delve further.
[/QUOTE.......... Thanks P. very interesting stuff........
 

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