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Summer Lane Pubs

smashing memories cowperkid...apart from your moms leg...yes there was not much spare money in those days....myself and my brother used to go round the old bomb pecks collecting the scrap wire...dad would then burn off the outer casing in the back garden..let it cool down and wrap it into balls...he would then take it down the scrap yard...of course we would always get a few pennies out of it for sweeties....may not have had much but still happy days:)

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Astoness said:
smashing memories cowperkid...apart from your moms leg...yes there was not much spare money in those days....myself and my brother used to go round the old bomb pecks collecting the scrap wire...dad would then burn off the outer casing in the back garden..let it cool down and wrap it into balls...he would then take it down the scrap yard...of course we would always get a few pennies out of it for sweeties....may not have had much but still happy days:)

lyn
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Don't forget the lead pipes lol yeh we didn't need much in those days life was so much simpler particularly for us kids .
 
cowperkid have you read the summer lane thread yet...theres a few photos on there to look at...by the way last sept i was introduced to a friend of my brothers...turns out she was born just 2 doors away from the 2 horseshoes in the middle 60s..actually there should be a photo of her with sisters on that thread playing outside her house...it was in an old carl chinn brummagem mag and until sept i didnt know who the family were in the photo..

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The Stag's Head, Summer Lane. Sorry, can't provide a date (late 1800s / early 1900s?) I wonder where they were going?

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looked at that photo many times and often wondered where they were off to...pub dates from around 1840 totally gutted now and will never be a pub again:mad:...apartments are planned...very sad ending to a famous pub

lyn
 
BB to be honest i find it sad when any old pub closes for good but for one so old it really is awful..yes folk will say..."well at least the shell of a pub is still there" but that does not cut it for me...just look at all the wonderful pub interiors we have lost ...once they are gone they are gone forever...

RE st chads as you most likely know i think we only have one photo of it and its not a very good one

lyn
 
I think what is so heartbreaking, Lyn is the pace that the old pubs, and indeed the old buildings of Birmingham are disappearing. In the 60s the old people would tell me about the old buildings they knew and had grown up with. Now the buildings that replaced them are being demolished, the Central Library being an example.
 
BB i have been saying for a long time now that we live in a throw away age..life expectancy of new buildings are on the whole around 40 to 50 years...and that is if we are lucky..i dont think its so much as the designs go out of fashion its that modern day buildings are chucked up in no time at all using cheap materials and cheap labour therefore its not long before the cracks start to appear...for example i just cant see the library of birmingham being there in 180 years time...the stag pub is..

lyn
 
Astoness said:
hi folks...well at last i have had the time to repost the pics of all the pubs that were on the lane:):)the red lion that was on the corner of bridge st west and summer lane was demolished in the early 1920s and so far a pic of this pub has never been found...the police station now stands on the ground where it was...

there only only 3 of these pubs still standing...the royal george..the barrel and the stags head.....the george and the barrel have been close for a few years now with no sign of them reopening.....this leaves the stags head which is the only pub down summer lane still pulling pints...

first the map pinpointing where the pubs were situated...

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Do you or anyone know the address street numbers of any of these pubs. I am looking to see if number 25 was a pub in
1901. Thanks
 
Number 25 was, at a much earlier date, a cigar and ale business. Not sure exactly what that means, could be retail or wholesale. The sale advert suggests it was well known. But this was in 1869. Viv.

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In the 1901 census Frank Phillips at no 25 describes himself as a publican. the 1900 Kellys lists William S Chambers there as a beer retailer
 
mikejee said:
The 1891 census lists it as the Cambridge Bar, which I don't think I have ever heard of before
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mike just looking at kierons updated pub map on post 201 and i cant see a cambridge bar there is however an oxford stores between hatchett st and new john st west

lyn
 
#25 seems to be near (or on) the junction with Hanley Street - assuming numbering hasn’t changed. Viv.
 
Big Gee said:
Leopold Lazarus Ltd were steel stockholders with various sites around the country. I used to sell them little felt pads to be placed between sheet metal to prevent sticking, but I don't think I ever visited their place in Summer Lane. They are, I believe, still trading under the name Macsteel Ltd, but not in Birmingham,.

Lyn, your photos bring back memories of an ill-spent youth! I don't know what it was about it, but when I first realised that I liked beer (!) Summer Lane drew me like a magnet. Two or three of us would catch the No 5 or No 7 bus in Witton Road, get off at The Salutation (may its memory be forever blessed) and then work our way back up to Six Ways. I can't say I drank in every pub in Summer Lane or Alma Street, but I think I managed to get a swift half in most of them. I also played darts (for The Brown Lion, Hall Street) and we had many a match in various Summer Lane pubs. I can honestly say, hand on heart, that apart from the odd "falling out" between drinking partners, I never encountered any serious trouble in Summer Lane. Or maybe I was just lucky. The pub that sticks in my memory is The Cross Guns - an old regular there took a liking to me for whatever reason. I think that was one of the first Summer Lane pubs to be demolished, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I also liked The Woolpack for both its atmosphere and its architecture. They were real pubs for real people - beer, cheese cobs and darts, as my old man used to say.

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My in-laws used to manage the Cross Guns, a Davenports pub ,in the 1960s. As you say a real pub and people
 
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In the 1901 census Frank Phillips at no 25 describes himself as a publican. the 1900 Kellys lists William S Chambers there as a beer retailer
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Frank Phillips was married to my great aunt and yes, he lists himself as publican. Thanks for all your research on this.
 
PattiW said:
Is there any way of discovering who the lessee was in 1907? I haven't been able to find anything for Frank Phillips after the 1901 census. The Cambridge Bar sounds just the sort of place I would have liked to have met up with some rellies! ;)
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There is only one Frank Phillips in Birmingham with wife Elizabeth (as per 1901) in 1911. He is then a Brass Tube Drawer (in 1891 he appears to be a Brass Dresser). I think many people used to try their hand at running a pub, sometimes while having another profession.
 
Was he married to Alice. there is a Frank Phillips, (354) in the 1911 census ,manager at the Pump Tavern pub at 19 Sutherland St. The rates book form 1912 has him in it initially, but crosses name out and replaces him with arthur townsend

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MWS said:
There is only one Frank Phillips in Birmingham with wife Elizabeth (as per 1901) in 1911. He is then a Brass Tube Drawer (in 1891 he appears to be a Brass Dresser). I think many people used to try their hand at running a pub, sometimes while having another profession.
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Thank you. Since I posted my comment, I have found him in various locations as a Beer Seller. I had saved that 1911 census but realised it wasn't him. His wife was born in Birmingham and the wife on 1911 was born elsewhere. In 1912 he was a Beer Retailer at 19 Sutherland Street. Thanks for looking though. Much appreciated.
 
mikejee said:
Was he married to Alice. there is a Frank Phillips, (354) in the 1911 census ,manager at the Pump Tavern pub at 19 Sutherland St. The rates book form 1912 has him in it initially, but crosses name out and replaces him with arthur townsend

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His wife was Elizabeth. I had found this Frank Phillips in the Trade Directory, thinking it was him. Now I'm not so sure. I've taken some screenshots from the trade dierctories but am having a problem with the format.
 
PattiW said:
Thank you. Since I posted my comment, I have found him in various locations as a Beer Seller. I had saved that 1911 census but realised it wasn't him. His wife was born in Birmingham and the wife on 1911 was born elsewhere. In 1912 he was a Beer Retailer at 19 Sutherland Street. Thanks for looking though. Much appreciated.
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The Frank Phillips (wife Elizabeth) at Cambridge Bar in 1901 is a different person to the Frank Phillips (wife Alice) at 19 Sutherland St.

Frank & Alice and their son emigrate to Fresno, California,
 
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