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Street views of Birmingham c 1870

mikejee

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Shortly after the Birmingham Archaeological Society (associated with the Midland Institute) was formed in 1870 they purchased some drawings of Birmingham streets, and by 1872 there were 75 recorded as being owned. By 1893 they seem to have been forgotten, but 17 were found in a “tin box”, and, in 1939 the Transactions of the Society published a short article on the drawings (Walker, Benjamin; Trans. Birm.Archeol.Soc. (1939-30) 63, 33-40 ) which included 6 of the views. I presume these views are now somewhere in the depths of the Reference library. In this thread I will be commenting on the six views. All the views seem more alive than the photographs of the time, probably because in photographs, because of the slow speed of films, people either were blurs/ not seen, or like statues, keeping still deliberately.

Livery St, west side between Colmore Row & Edmund St

The first is described as above. Looking at directories available (1862,1867,1868,1872) would place the drawings as being made after the situation listed in Post Office directory of 1868, but before the equivalent of 1872 (remembering that, in earlier directories, the dates given in the title can be a little later than the information described therein). Below I have incorporated the numbers of the buildings in the street in red at the top of the drawing. In fact the drawing does not show the complete set of buildings in this range, as 1 & 2 do not appear to be shown, and the numbering goes up to at least 19 before Edmund St, and the drawing only shows 17. Possibly the end of the row was open land at this time. The numbering at the other end is not so clear (so no numbering is added), as no names are on the buildings. In the 1839 map of the area shown, there is an inset from the street not present on the drawing, so this end has obviously been rebuilt since then. In any case the c1889 OS map (probably actually about 1884) shows that all the old buildings have gone, and the area has, as yet, only partly been rebuilt. On these two maps I have shown by a red line the approximate length of the drawing being discussed. There are a couple of inconsistencies but most of the drawing agrees with the directories.

The drawing shows:
5 & 6 is Thomas Watts, tobacconist. In the 1867 directory Watts was only at no 5 and Henry Cumberland, carver & gilder, was at no 6, but Watts occupied both in the 1872 edition.
7 & 8 are occupied by James Moore Clements, tailor, though from the adverts on the front of the shop, he also sells tailoring supplies such as needles and parts for tailoring machines. By 1872 the building is occupied by Frederick Palfrey, ticket writer. This apparently (https://www.photohistory-sussex.co.uk/BTN-LaneWm.htm) was a person who drew out tickets for shop and other trade windows, showing special offers etc and this reference shows a picture of one at work.
9 & 10 is Josiah Allen, printer & stationer, though he seems to have disappeared by 1872.
11. Although no indication is given as to the occupant, no 11 appears to be occupied for the whole period by Joseph Hackwood, also a ticket writer.
No 12 is Bodington, late Davis. In 1867-8 John Davis, butcher occupied the building. I can find no Bodington listed with only one D, and no Boddington who was a butcher, but presumably he did not last long as a business and so did not appear in any of the above directories.
13. On the drawing this seems to be a newsagent, from sign “News2 on wall. In 1868 he is listed as Joseph Mason, tobacconist, but these may well have sold papers also. He does not appear in 1867 or 1872, and is listed as Harry Underhill, tobacconist in 1862.
14 is the Albion wine Vaults. Run by Henry Herridge since the early 1850s, it seems that, when he first ran it, it was called the Waggon & Horses, and the street numbering was different. On the 1880s OS map below, after the area has been rebuilt, there is still an Albion commercial hotel, run by Henry Herridge, but this is now at no. 23, on the corner of, and the other side of, Edmund St.
15. James Storer, general engraver for the whole of this period.
16. You can just read Collins above "Gun" and "pistol". William Collins, gun 7 pistol maker is there in 1868 and 1872.
17. John Hall, harness maker is listed there 1862 till at least 1872.

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The drawing comes up a bit small on theforum, i suggest you save and then magnify in the computer. It is a fairly large file (c 400mg), though downsized from the original scan, so does show good detail.
mike
 
wonderful info mike....that drawing is super too....looking forward to the next one...did what you suggested and saved it and then zoomed in...

lyn
 
These are lovely pictures from R.K. Dents book Old and New Birmingham...would you believe I have two of these original books!!
 
Like the thread Mike, very, very interesting. The row of businesses must have benefitted enormously from the GWR development. The row of buildings must have looked archaic compared to the GWR hotel, towering above, and and in amongst all the hustle and bustle of railway business. Expect the Albion Vaults did a great trade. I think it's so good to bring together the different resources in this way to uncover how a street was made up etc. Looking forward to the others and realise it must be time consuming to get this info together. But well worthwhile, thanks.

Bernie your two drawings also show how grand many of the buildings had become in just this small area of the City. Mike's businessmen in Livery Street, although most probably benefitting from the grand development around it, must have known
their days were numbered.

All very interesting. Viv.
 
Mike re. #11 Livery Street, Joseph Hackwood the card and ticket writer seems to have been there for quite some time. As you say, the numbering must have changed as he's listed in Francis White's Directory of 1849 as being at 208 Livery Street. Here's the extract:

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Viv.
 
Viv
I point out in the original post that the first Albion Wine vaults was between Colmore Row & Edmund St, whereas the rebuilt second was on the corner of Edmund st the other side of Edmund st from Colmore row. Therefore so they are not correct about it being rebuilt on the site, though they are correct about the name being changed to the Old Contemptibles
 
2.2.1863
Serious fire at Bell Inn , Prospect Row
Opening of new chapel in Wheeler St
It is suggested that girls might be allowed to take what were then , i think, the equivalent of O levels or GCSEs

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A little later than anticipated is the second of the panoramic views of Birmingham Streets, this time New St between Stephenson Place and Lower Temple St. As with the first view, one end of the buildings are merely sketched in, as if the work was not completed. I believe no buildings in the view remain, all being replaced in the late 19th century, and the numbering has changed slightly since the view was drawn. However it would seem that the edge of the building on the far left is the Midland Bank (now Waterstones), or possibly the building that preceded it, and on the far right I believe can just be seen the edge of Lower Temple St. The time would seem to be between about 1867 and 1872.
Coming from the left the first establishment is covered with several names, but these all seem to be names of establishments which were never in New St, and so are presumably advertisements. Two of them are Keel Bros, hat makers of Bull st & Dudley St and Henry Lloyd, perambulator and carriage maker of Broad St , Islington.This was not uncommon at the time. It is not clear who was actually doing business from there, but it would have been on the site, or part of the site of the Midland hotel.
Next is Joseph Hillman, wine and spirit merchant. During this period J Hillman's main establishment was at 52 Paradise St, but White's 1873 directory lists them also at 109 New st at as victualler and luncheon rooms.
Next is Joseph Vernon Needham, gunmaker , who was at 108½ New St in 1868, but had moved to Cannon st by 1872.
Next is Frederick Clowes , tailor at 108 New st in 1873, but in 1862 was at 101 New St
Next , just above the fancy doorway, which may or may not be the entrance to the wheatsheaf pub,which was somewhere around there, can be see something like "Maher, stationer and printer". This would be Maher & Son, stationers & inkmaker (and also Thomas Maher, registrar of marrige in 1867) at 108 New St.
Next James Frederick Kirby , 106-107 New St. In 1862 listed as gutta percha goods, and in 1867-8 India rubber maker. by 1872 it has become the Birmingham Rubber Co.
Finally in the last building with detail is Charles Mole, watchmaker in 1867-8 at 105 New St, changed to Mole & Lane in 1873.
Below the panorama are maps of c1839 and c1889, neither of which are very much help as the earlier has a street which has disappeared by the time of the panorama, and , I believe, that there are possibly none of the buildings remaining by the time of the later map. But they are there for information.


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Thanks Mike. That was a fascinating insight into the old New Street, which would have been how some of our ancestors would have known it.

Judy
 
I got diverted from this thread, and am now returning to it. The next panorama is simpler and shows Suffolk St with Curzon Hall and the Canal Offices.

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The Canal Offices are towards the right, with the Old wharf behind.Towards the left is the original Curzon Hall, before it was converted into a cinema either temporarily or permanently as the West End cinema. At that time businesses occupied part of the front of the Hall building numbered no 78 Suffolk St. The brewer Flower and Sons had a brewers stores, probably on the left had side , and it can be seen from the name on the fascia that there is a glass warehouse on the right hand side. The glass warehouse , run by Christopher William Bird is listed in the directories of 1872 and 1873 and in newspaper advertisments in 1871-1874, so the scene can be dated to around the early 1870s.
to the immediate left of the Hall is the Bell (sometimes named the Blue Bell and the Bell Spirit Vaults)(no 79 Suffolk St) which , up to October 1875, was run by Charles Palmer. At the pub was a lodge room for the use of a "secret society" named the Royal Antidiluvian Order of Buffaloes . In the Birmingham Post (21.12.1876) he was fined for assault on a member of the order who would not remove his hat !
The next building along (no 80) would have been occupied by Peter Wright , a saddler & harness maker. The vague shapes on the panorama around the door could be items of harness. The last building in the row (no 81( was a shop run by Mrs Sophia Bramich
 
The fourth view is of Congreve St, the part that was completely destroyed for the building of the Council House, nos 1-17, which disappeared from directories between 1873 and 1876. The view seems to have been taken between about 1868 and 1872. It shows the following businesses (preceded with the street number):
1. William Bryan , confectioner , shown in directories 1867-73
2. James Watts, tobacconist, shown in directories 1868-73
3. Was William Bozani, hosier in 1868, but Mrs Sophia Hargrove, modeller in 1872 but wax flower maker in 1873.
4. George James , hairdresser , shown in directories 1867-73
5. Mrs Esther Jordan, boarding & eating house, shown in directories 1867-73
6. John Johnson, confectioner (can just make out Johnson on fascia), shown in directories 1872-73
6½. Mrs Elizabeth Payne, dyer, shown in directories 1872-73 (William Payne , dyer in 1867)
7. Isaac Jennings, butcher in 1872-73, Henry Edwards, butcher in 1868.
8. Haywood Jennings & Stubbs, tea & coffee dealers.1872-73. (Robert Massey, auctioneer in 1868)
9. Beerhouse, run by Joseph Taylor 1872-3 and by John George Bayliss in 1868.
10. John Atkins, fried fish dealer (1873, dealer in vinegar (1872), but Charles ??Gay, beer retailer in 1868
11. John Fraser, embroidery manufacturer in 1872-73, but James Ireland, wire worker in 1868
12. Charles Wall, umbrella maker (1873), but jeweller 1867-68
13. John Adams , grocer, shown in directories 1867-73
14. John Pepper, greengrocer & fruiterer
15. Joseph Gosling, butcher 1867-68 (but William Capsey, butcher 1872)
16. Thomas Davies (or Davis), newsagent, shown in directories 1867-73
17. Samuel Child, watchmaker, shown in directories 1867-73
Next to no 17 was New Edmund St, later to become Edmund St

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Have just realised that , on coppermine, it is not possible to view these views at a very reasonable magnification, particularly this one, as it reduces them so much. If anyone wants to see a better copy then IM me your e-mail address and I will send you one
 
If you download them it is possible to magnify them although they can get pixellated if you magnify too much.

Many thanks for these Mike.
Janice
 
I had never , obviously downloaded any of these myself as I put them on, but have just realised they are only (well last one anyway) 52kb, which does not give much detail. The ones that I loaded were over 300kb, but were reduced by coppermine
 
The fifth panorama is of Ann St, in particular part of the frontage of Ann st that was demolished in the early 1870s to make way for the Council House, going from either 25 to 40 Ann St. The view seems to have been between about 1868 and 1872, as the firm of Joseph Jones, auctioneer at no 33 was listed in the 1872 directory, but not in the 1868 or 1873 directories.. By the time of the 1876 Post Office directory all these buildings had disappeared, to be replaced by the Municipal buildings..
At the far right of the picture is Eden Place, and next to it no 25-26 (listed as 25in some directories and 26 in others), occupied mainly by the RSPCA and the Anti-Contagious Diseases Society. The latter was not formed to act against smallpox and the like, but as a campaign organization against the Contagious Diseases Act, which, from 1864, enabled prostitutes in navy and army towns found to suffer from venereal diseaes to be confined in Lock hospitals, though, conveniently for the male politicians and lawmakers, made no such restriction on male clients. It was at one time suggested that it be extended all over the country, but thebefforts of the above society and its successors saw the Acts repealed in 1886 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagious_Diseases_Acts) . A coat of arms is visible by the door, presumably that of the RSPCA at the time, though it does not resemble the present version..
Next door at 27 was Heptinstall & Lawledge, file manufacturers, who moved here in 1789 and remained until demolition for the municipal buildings. they are mentioned at
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=10608.
No 28, clearly numbered on the print, changed hands several times over the period, and could have been R Mann Paperhanging manufacturers, Jabez Wilson, bookseller or Henry Stern, glass merchant. similarly no 29 would have been John Tristram Caswell, hair worker, or Bowdidge & Norton, auctioneers.
No 30 was Adam & co, sewing machine agents, though G.H.Adam was also the registrar of births & deaths.
No 31 was either Suckling & Ormond, auctioneers, or James Cox , poulterer.
No 32 was confectioner Thomas Richards,
No 33 was Thomas Arnold Jones, auctioneer while 33½ , in court 5 behind the building, was James Hughes, french polisher.
No 34 was Miss Mary Jane James, milliner, who took over from auctioneer Earl James, presumably her father or husband, while 35 was either unoccupied or occupied by Henry Stern , glass sign writer.
The name over no 36 shows it to be George Gardner,fruiterer & tobacconist, while next door at 38, under the sign "Irish Porter Stores" was the Bell & Candlestick pub, run by Charles Godfrey.
Adam Smith ,chemist was at no 39, and at no 40 was iether David or Nathan cohen-Spiers (depending on date), pawnbroker, with brass balls displayed.
 

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The last panorama is the north side of Colmore Row roughly between Church St & Livery St. The numbering of Colmore Row varied considerably around this period due to changes such as the absorption of Ann St and Monmouth St into Colmore Row. On the far right is Joseph Lucas, pharmaceutical chemist. Pre about 1875 this was no 4 Colmore Row, in the 1876 directory it was no 1, but by 1878 it was no 13. This view seems to be from between 1868 and 1872. Next to it no 5 had mixed uses probably being either an optometrist or a commercial hotel, while Robert Worrall (the artist seems to have the spelling wrong) at no 6 was a tailor.
Next (no 7) is homeopathic chemist George John Morris, while the impressive no 8 was a surgeon dentist, Frederick Sims. 8½& 9 is Saul & Walter Samuel, Australian merchants. Yet more surgeons occupied no 10, while pawnbroker John Aaron at 11 & 12 possibly provides a source of finance for those visiting all these surgeons (yet another is at no 13 and at no 16). furterh up are a boot & shoemaker ( no 15) and an auctioneer (no 17) while on the corner with Church St is Abraham Allport , tailor.
Soon the buildings would be demolished. A c1870 view of them from down the street , part of a photograph, is given below
 

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Possibly a false hope, but I don'tt suppose any more of these wonderful street views have been uncovered? Maybe when the Central Library archives were cleared out and moved to the new Library of Birmingham? Viv.
 
The original article only had these 6 views. However, on e-bay there has recently appeared a rather expensive book which is listed as "1870 Birmingham buildings past & present.15 folio plates street scenes" ( https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1870-BIRMINGHAM-BUILDINGS-PAST-PRESENT-15-FOLIO-PLATES-STREET-SCENES-/272179579909?hash=item3f5f2acc05:g:J9MAAOSwAuNW7t-O )
They helpfully include copies of some of the plates, and I include them below and on the next post they are :
1. T
he front cover
2.. The smallest shop in Birmingham, The Gullet, corner Lichfield and Stafford Streets. Looks like R.Jones hat maker(?), but cannot find him in directories around 1870
3. Junction of Congreve St & Ann St.
4. High St. (showing St Martins)



 

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The remainder but 1:
5. no 60 Edgebaston St and shoeing forge Deritend.
No 60 has name Reynolds on it. In the 1868 directory William Henry Reynolds & Son are steel mill makers at no 60. Close by at 61 is G hemming, maltster and hop merchant, which again agrees with 1858 directory, The forge has Inston over it. In the 1868 directory there is an John Instone at the shoeing forge 162 High St Bordesley.(also an Edward Inston (no e) at the Nelson pub, 22 High St Deritend)
6. Old Houses digbeth. Actually the Leathern bottle pub and three crowns pub, which were next door to each other at 221-222 High St Deritend. The licensee of the three crowns (George Muddyman(?)) does not agree with the 1867, 68, 72 or 73 directories, but he is listed in the Birmingham Daily Gazette as giving up the three Crowns on 4th Oct.1866 .
7. Old Houses, Moor St. there is no indication where exactly it might be.
8. St Martins Lane. With church wall on right, and Swan with Two Necks pub on right. I have seen this before, but the earlier one was a poorer reproduction.
9.`Whateleys, Bennetts Hill. & Old house in High St
All the directories give Whateleys & Whateleys, solicitors as being at 41 Waterloo St. This is only a couple of doors away from the junction with Bennetts Hill, so possibly there was an entrance there also. On closer examination the picture seems to possibly be marked " from sketch in 1830" (despite titel of posting in e-bay). The 1830 Wests directory lists Whateleys in Bennetts hill. Possibly the same house, but different entrance.
The High St shop is labelled T.Weston, haberdasher. I can find no T.Weston in High St. In the 1862 directory there is a T WEston, haberdasher at 25 Temple Row,again the picture is marked "from sketch in 1830" . The 1830 directory gives him in Bromsgrove St, but the 1841 directory at 20 High St.
 

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10. White Lion, Digbeth, sketch made in 1835. This was at 99 Digbeth.
 

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These are beauties Mike. Not seen most of them before. I looked at the book on eBay and it's starting price is £68 - pity I'd have liked that, or at least had the opportunity to browse it. Viv.
 
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