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St Peter's Church Harborne

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Does anyone know about a plaque to the Green family, apparently in a church in Harborne? The Greens were ancestors on my mother's side and she told me about the plaque, which her mother had seen, but doesn't know any more.
 
Re: Plaque in Harborne church

There is a mention of the Green family on the charity board plaque at St Peters Church Harborne.I've taken the following extract from The Staffordshire Encyclopedia. There is a contact number for St Peters 01216811940
St Peter MEMORIALS.Charity board. Robert Green d1783. Hezekiah Green d1808, & wife, Phebe d1809, & daughters Mary d1771, Martha d1772, Diana d1785, & Frances d1799. Hannah Maria, wife of Thomas Green Simcox d1824, Thomas Green Simcox d1828, & daughter, Henrietta Augusta d1836, Rev. John Lea (3rd son of above) d1840, grandson, Charles Howard Simcox d1870 aged 13, Rev. Thomas Green Simcox, eldest son of Hannah & Thomas d1876, & Anna Maria, eldest daughter of Hannah & Thomas d1880 Dublin. George Simcox d1831, & 2nd wife Elizabeth d1843, also Rev. Edward Simcox M.A. d1833, & wife Millicent Charlotte d1832, & daughter Millicent Emily d1832,
 
Re: Plaque in Harborne church

Ladylinda
Many thanks for the speedy reply, although I don't know if I got all of your message - the last bit, at the bottom of the box, says 'daughter Millicent Emily d1832,'. Is there any more or was that the end?
Regards
Bev
 
Can anyone tell me which church you might be married or buried in if you lived in Grove Lane, Harborne, Staffs between 1881 and 1891.

I think its Grove Lane Handsworth now and I believe the religion was Wesleyan(?)

Thanks for your help
Bernie
 
In my Wakelin's Street Guide printed around the 1960s, it gives Grove Lane, Old Church Lane, Harborne, Birmingham.17, so it definitely did not upsticks to Handsworth.
 
Sorry just posted but gone astray somewhere grove lane harborne is off qiunton rd ? and I think it leads onto church rd there is a church there st peters? if I am wrong someone will put me right i hope :)dont have az handy but worth a look:)
 
Isnt Grove Lane in Handsworth then by Grove lane boys school? I didnt realise there was another one. no wonder I am getting confused with my genealogy stuff...

I will try St Peters thanks for that
Best Regards
Bernie
 
I have just looked on google and your spot on, I have my bearings now and I will look in the Harborne area. Because there has been so many changes of counties, (like selly oak in worcester and Aston in staffordshire,)in my searches that I dont even think I have the wrong place anymore, thank you everyone for once again putting me back on track...
Bernie
 
I wasnt sure about St Peters but I do know that it has been around for a long time I am glad that we were of some help and the border changes are confusing:)
 
There is a grove lane in harborne it and Harborne Park Road surround Grove Park which is adjacent to St Peters Church. Grove Lane runs into Old Church Road.
The Junction Pub on the High Street in Harborne was given its name as it was at the junction of warwickshire worcestershire and staffordshire and pre dates harborne becoming part of the birmingham corporation, hence its often referred to as the village. the lower end (what we would call the main high street, Junction to M&S) was called Heath Road and the higher end was the high street (Junction to Princes Corner).
Hope this helps.
 
Ps my entire Smith line have been christened, married and buried at St Peters Harborne, i aslo did a project at Uni on the High Street so if i can help let me know.
 
Hi Laura-Jen re Harborne High St an uncle of mine Don Scarf had a grocer's shop at 51 High St in the 40's and 50's,bought by his father in early 1900's. In Kelly's directory 1904,no.51 is said to be around the St John's Rd junction with High St. Nowadays it's at junction of North Rd and High St ( further towards Brum).Can you explain this? Regards Sheila
 
both north road and st johns road are next to each other (iceland section seperates them) it could be the numbers changed with the properties when it was rebuilt in the 60's and and again in the last ten years the MFI building was built in this section opposite M&S.
The High Street as we know it today came into existance in 1883 when Heath Road/Heath Street was amalgamated into the High Street.
 
Bits & Pieces:

Grove Lane:

It was originally called Reservoir Lane (as the lane leading down to the reservoir). Popularly called Love Lane in Summer & Mucky Lane in Winter. It ran from near Harborne Hall to the banks of the reservoir.

The High Street:

Yes, the original High Street was between Princes Corner & The Junction Pub (although neither of these were there at the time of naming. This was the original centre of the village, particularly at the Princes Corner end.

Note: the High Street renumbering took place around 1910ish I think. Harborne Library used to have a chart to compare old/new numbers or you could compare in adjacent Kellys directories.

Three counties boundary: this was actually on Harborne Park Road where Northfield (Worcs), Harborne (Staffs) & Edgbaston (Warwicks) met.

Churches:

Tresario - I note you say religion was Weslyan. Not sure if you could get married in a Weslyan Chapel at that time but there was a Weslyan Chapel on the High Street until 1868 when they moved to the present day Methodist Chapel in South St. Might be worth checking this out if you can't trace in St Peters records.

Best of luck. :)

Roy
 
been years since I was in harborne, are the prefabs still in the road from the greenman to wards selly oak, and is the chad valley still turning out toys, my dad worked part time in the duke of york, and the school took us to the harborne baths each week, my mom worked in woolworths, and I wonder what happened to janice of war lane.
 
hi guys i am looking for info on theold harborne church
which i am told it runs down the side of lodge hill cemetry
does it have a name after it and any idea when it was built as i have a intrest in this old church
many thanks astonion
 
My guess for "Harborne Old Church" would be St Peter's, which is in Old Church Road, Harborne
https://www.stpeterharborne.org.uk/
It has its own graveyard that is beautifully maintained.

My husband's grandfather was married there in a large double wedding in 1909. The family have a large memorial in the churchyard. The MIs are in Birmingham library

[Of course, there is Edgbaston Old Church which is alongside Edgbaston Golf Club in Church Rd Edgbaston]
 
hi leslam
many thanks for geting the info so quick to me i really appreciate you telling me a little bit about it
the reason i want to know was i did not know the church being there until i was told today
by some one else during the day today a friend of mine said there was one down the side
and i am happy you have confirmed it to me
also i am planning to go there to a spritual meeting there
i knew the old church excisted as quite afew years ago an cousin of mine got married in
that church next the golf course and i thought that was the only church around there
many thanks againan best wishes astonion
 
[I have added St Peter's to the thread title for clarity]

The following may or may not be connected with the family mentioned in the above plaque. It is a note added to the end of the burial register that runs to 1912. Hope it is useful to someone:
February 12 1906

At the end of the Stoke hole, under the south door, some coffins were found tobe in sight, and the churchwardens ordered a brick wal to be mad so as to separate them entirely from that part of the building. A copy was made of the inscriptions on the coffin plates as follows:
​
Hannah Maria Green d Jan 24 1860 age 3 months
James Smart d June 6 1854 19 months 11 days
Edwin Taylerson Feb 9 1855 2 years ****
Hannah Blott Gorke ??? Mar 4 1861 8 months ++++
Sarah Green Feb 6 1855 64 years
Hubert Green Sep 28 1863 53 years

​
**** I think that it's possible that this was transcribed incorrectly at the time. I can find no corresponding Edwin Taylerson (birth or death), but I can find the death of Elizabeth Ann Taylerson in Kings N reg district in the correct quarter

++++ I have searched in vain to try to work out what this name is....
 
It is not unusual for unusual names to be miss-transcribed and therefore not show up on a census search. However the 1862 census gives 14 entries for a first name Blott. Of these, four are named Blott Yorke (or York), and three of these are from Aston. A bit of a coincidence.
1. 54 Vaughton St
Elizabeth Yorke (65) born Bromsgrove (trsanscribed in ancestry as York)
Blott Yorke (27) son painter.paperhanger, born Birmingham

2 & 3. 189 Darwin st
Mary Ann Yorke (50) widow, housekeeper born West Bromwich
Blott Yorke (27) son married, wire drawer born Birmingham
Elizabeth Yorke (27) daughter in law (wife of blott) wire drawer born newport staffs
Elvia Yorke (31) daughter dressmaker born Birmingham
Mary Ann Yorke (6) grandchild born Aston
Blott Yorke (4) grandson, born Aston
George Shanks (54) lodger chair maker born London

I would guess that Blott is a family name and that the name is Blott Yorke . Possibly Hannah was from the second family, daughter of Elizabeth
 
Yes of course Mike - it could easily be Yorke! It could even be me mis-reading it- you know what micro-films can be like!
 
Found St Peter's Church Harborne on a walk round Old Church Road (after I went to Grove Park again).

This view after I went all the way around the road.



Not too visible from the roadside as I went around!

 
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