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St Barnabas Erdington Memorial

pjmburns said:
Some of the names on Viv's list in #44 do not appear on the memorial. I am not sure why.
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There is some mystery here yes, but I think it is because the others have headstones, but thats a guess at this stage. Some though have headstones and are on the memorial. Many that are in the grave yard died of the Spanish Flu.
 
Thanks. I think the one which is hard to read because of the light shining (on your list as "Wamble") is;
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Listed on the Helles Memorial - panel 17. Comes under Gallipoli buried at sea - will try to confirm that. His probate says "died at sea on hospital ship" near Malta.
 
Re: the other Whittall.
Howard Elkington Whittall of Eversley, Kingsbury Road - there were 3 brothers all in the army.
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Howard is buried at St Barnabas and died 26 September 1919. At the moment I can't find him listed as war dead but I assume he died of injuries after being brought home.
On 1911 census William and Frederick are at university. There are another son, 2 daughters, 2 nephews the parents and 3 live in servants at the address.
 
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Most likely Albert A Wilson (this is the only one to give Erdington)
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Slight discrepancy here as the date for the Arras memorial says 29th April 1917 but the service number is the same.
 
pjmburns said:
Thanks. I think the one which is hard to read because of the light shining (on your list as "Wamble") is;
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Listed on the Helles Memorial - panel 17. Comes under Gallipoli buried at sea - will try to confirm that. His probate says "died at sea on hospital ship" near Malta.
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This is spooky as I was just looking this chap up not 30 mins ago! There is a listing for Wamble which is miss spelt it should be as you quite rightly say William. South African born in Trans-val.
Buried at Helles Cemetery Turkey. Appears to have a brother Howard. Don`t know of another brother but these two are on the memorial at St.Barnabas. Howard is in the RN and therefore his body may be lost. Or buried at sea but more then likely lost. Hope this helps?
 
pjmburns said:
Viv where did you get the listings from?
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Janice, It’s from a search on the IWM Lives of WW1 site. You need a subscription to search. I think the names on the list are largely ones with graves but, there’s at least one exception, Sharpe who has a grave and is on this memorial as well as the Post Office memorial (Erdington Post Office) despite having a grave. So not sure. Viv.
 
Have now created a community on IWM Lives for this memorial. Now starting to add the men to the group.

First up

2nd Lt Reginald John Twilton, RAF. No service number. Died 25/4/1918.

Viv
 
Vivienne14 said:
Have now created a community on IWM Lives for this memorial. Now starting to add the men to the group.

First up

2nd Lt Reginald John Twilton, RAF. No service number. Died 25/4/1918.

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Reginald Twilton RFC/RAF 2nd Lieutenant - 88 Squadron- Buried at Marcinelle Lived in Erdington - Death 25-Apr-1919
Birth 1895 Address 87 High Street
 
Gunner William Albert Hackett service #189547 Royal Horse Artillery & Royal Field Artillery Died of wounds 4/10/1918

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Lt Frederick Charles Herbert Guest. Army Service Corps (no service #). Born 1890 Erdington, died 3/6/1917 buried Flaubourg D’Amiens Cemetery Arras. Wife Ethel Nora Guest. Parents Charles Herbert and Agnes Eliza Guest. In 1911 he was at 19 Mason Rd Erdington and was an Architect Assistant Clerk.

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Pte. John Frederick Maryon Army Pay Corps #6398 b. 1878, died 10/3/1918 buried at Wimereux Communal Cemetery Pas de Calais. In 1911 living at 27 Fern Road, was a Commercial Chef and his wife was Martha Maria.

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Pte Stanley Plumpton. Seaforth Highlanders (RossShire Buffs). Service #S/16432 Enlisted in Birmingham Born 1891 Liscard Cheshire. Died of wounds 21/9/1917. Had an older brother William George b. 1889 and a younger brother John Leonard b.1899. Parents William and Isabella Julia. In 1911 living at 117 South Road a Erdington. He was at that time a Clerk.

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Pte Albert Sidney Mccullough. Service #12019 Dorsetshire Reg 6th battalion. Enlisted Birmingham. Born 1896 Handsworth. Parents Gilbert S and Sarah. Two younger brothers John Gilbert b.1898 and Arthur Ronald b.1900.

Albert Sidney died of wounds 27/3/1918. Buried at Etaples Military Cemetery, Pas de Calais. In 1911 living at 10 High Street Erdington, he was assisting with business (father was a fishmonger, mother assisted in business too).

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Cpl Edgar Nourse Service #502057 Corps of Royal Engineers (17 Div Signal Coy RE). Born 1891 Nechells Parents Phillip Henry and Emily (They were at 372 Slade Road, Erdington when Edgar died abroad). Older brother Arthur b.1883 and younger brother Elphege b 1893.

Edgar Nourse died 30/5/1918 Mesopotamia. Buried Baghdad (North Gate) War Cemetery.

In 1911 Edgar was an Out Of Work Manufacturers Clerk living at Brookvale Road.


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Nick Bradbury said:
This is spooky as I was just looking this chap up not 30 mins ago! There is a listing for Wamble which is miss spelt it should be as you quite rightly say William. South African born in Trans-val.
Buried at Helles Cemetery Turkey. Appears to have a brother Howard. Don`t know of another brother but these two are on the memorial at St.Barnabas. Howard is in the RN and therefore his body may be lost. Or buried at sea but more then likely lost. Hope this helps?
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I don't think this William is the brother of the Howard buried at St Barnabas. See # 63
 
Have found a community already exists for St Barnabas memorial on the IWM site which lists the majority of the men and links to all their details. So, good news, a lot of the work has been done already ! Here’s the link https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/community/1059 There are about 12 men where there is no information (see the image below)

Nick. Not sure how much you can view without a subscription, but any problems let me know.

Viv.
 

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Thanks, I'm re-editing the image I placed in #3 to make it look as it originally did, removing the glare in certain parts, equalising the colours, and repairing the split in the wood which runs from top to bottom. If successful I'll replace the existing image. Thomas's name was one I could not quite make out ... :)
 
Re: #82. Horace H W Gray is on 1911 census at 30 Edwards Road, Erdington. Son of Thomas and Lucy. One older sister listed.
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hi nick if you get the grant for a new memorial and the vicar of st barnabs is still against having it back in the church here is some advise off someone who is in the know

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First you need to speak to a Churchwarden. St Barnabas probably has two. Then write to the PCC. (Parochial Church Council) every Anglican Church has to have one by law.
Make your position and complaint clear. If possible get the support of one or two parishioners.
It's in the Diocese of Birmingham so if all else fails go to the The Bishop, (Bishop David) you will find him through St Philips Cathederal.
 
An edited version of the image I previously placed in post#3
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Edited 20/01/2021 ... A name Frank Bedding (as on the actual photographed memorial) has been altered to the correct name Frank E. Redding.

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Below shows the edited image inserted in the church picture from post#1
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warmemorialsonline.org (post#83) say they have no images of the St Barnabas memorial so maybe the above images could be submitted if anyone is a member of that website.
 
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