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Spiceal Street & Edgbaston Street

Dennis Williams

Proud Brummie
Oh Lordy, look what the cat dragged in....is it? Can it be? Looks close but I'm not strictly sure...bet the Vicar would know. And as an aside, did the evils of apartheid only run to the 'back of a fag packet' sized sermon??
 

Aidan

master brummie
A gold medal for certain there Dennis, well done - plenty more to win for other dates of course....

And what an amazing picture - the lady of the gate seems entranced by the vicar giving it large to the unbelievers of Spiceal Street, with a clear shot of the Wholesale Bargain Stores on the corner with Edgbaston Street
 
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Wendy

Guest
What a brilliant photo Vivienne I have never seen it before either.
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
The weighing machine (W.M. ) is shown on this 1889 map, and also the 1890 map. the next version available is 1905, by when it has gone due to the extension of Smithfield Market. This occurred in 1892 and 1903 and i don't know which of these resulted in its disappearence.
Mike


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Vivienne14

Super Moderator
Staff member
Yes agree BordesleyExile, very helpful map and background info Mike. Thanks. A busy area. In the photo you can just see "Bank" so that'll be the Bjrmingham & Midland Bank marked on your map. Lots of pubs too, typical of market areas. I've been trying to work out the name on the cover over the cart, but just can't make it out. Viv.
 

AGNES

New Member
Hi my name is Agnes, i'm just starting to resreach my faimly tree. I known my grandfahter Daniel died in WWII in a house in Speaking Stile Walk, Edgbastion. However i cannot find Speaking Stile Walk on any of the maps old or new. And would love to find out more, I know this is not your thing. But was hoping you might know the Edgbastion area. And might know where Speaking Sitle Walk is or was. I would be so grateful for any help.
Thank you so much Agnes
 

Vivienne14

Super Moderator
Staff member
Thought this was an interesting scene of its time; a cartload of straw being weighed on the cart machine in Jamaica Row c.1890. Viv.



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I think this would have been photographed very close to the Cart Machine. It's on the corner of Moat Row and Jamaica Row 1901. (i.e. post - phase 1 market extension but pre- phase 2 extension which Mike mentioned in post 28 above). My guess the building on the right could be the Birmingham & Midland Bank. Viv.



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mikejee

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Staff member
vivienne
The weighing machine is what is described as the cart machine in the caption of the photo. It is a very good photo, and i've never seen it before. If you go to my thread at https://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23229 and look at the second picture accross on the first post, you will see a similar view of the buildings, except that the hardware shop in your photo has , by c 1970, been taken over to expand the Bank. This can be seen by the same wooden separation piece being present on both photos to the right of the hardware shop .
 

Vivienne14

Super Moderator
Staff member
I've compared the two Mike. They certainly do tally. What a mess was made of the shop fronts by later development. Looks like the splendid archway in the 1890 cart machine photo when adapted for the bank expansion (just in view on the left on your 70s photo) was not very sympathetically done. Will also work through your link you've posted. Looks very interesting. Thanks for that. Viv
 

AGNES

New Member
I'd like to say thankyou to all, I am writing this for my friend Agnes who has now gone home (no pc as yet) she will be well pleased with the pictures and all. Thanks once again.
I have been researching my family history for about 15 yrs and seeing the response one can get by blogging (is that the word) maybe thats a good idea for myself.
Ros.
 
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Stitcher

Guest
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Scudamore's Shop at number one Spiceal Street and we can see the great variety of metal goods that were manufactured in eighteenth century Birmingham
 

brummie nick

master brummie
It must have bean a great place to shop if you liked Pork, on the 1851 census it has a pork butchers at Number 5 employing 11 butchers, and number 8 has another pork butchers shop employing 10 butchers.

Nick
 
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