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Smith Street 1914

Hello again everybody. Im hoping to get advice on english birth certs today. I received my grandfathers in the post and im just wondering if its a standard english birth cert. It says on it its a copy of an entry of birth and looks like a church registry. Is there some way for me to order a full birth certificate or is that what i already have.
Thank you for any help
It wont allow me to upload a pic as it says its too big.
 
Ronandoran said:
Hello again everybody. Im hoping to get advice on english birth certs today. I received my grandfathers in the post and im just wondering if its a standard english birth cert. It says on it its a copy of an entry of birth and looks like a church registry. Is there some way for me to order a full birth certificate or is that what i already have.
Thank you for any help
It wont allow me to upload a pic as it says its too big.
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Looks like a proper birth certificate to me. Is it the mention of St Mary's? As it says this a sub-district of Bham, some of which would have been named after a church. Doesn't mean the birth/baptism had anything to do with the church it was named after.
 
i have just noticed that the birth was registered some 7 weeks after birth so it could be that although alfred was born in the parish of st marys (which was around the whittall st area very near to smith st) by the time his birth was registered they had moved to smith st and so this address was put down....on my dads birth cert he is down as born in hingeston st ladywood but we know for certain that he was born in his grandparents pub in hospital st newtown...his birth was registered nearly 7 weeks after his birth by which time his grandparents had moved from the hospital st pub to a pub in hingeston st... its just a thought that the parents just put down where they were living at the time they registered the birth..would you happen to have annie and philip savage on the 1911 census ronan

lyn
 
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It is definitely a full birth certificate, as has been said, many districts are named after the main C of E church in the area.
As for the delay - could be a number of reasons - baby or Mother ill, moving house as Lyn said, debate over name.
 
Thanks to all for the answers and for turning the image. Was hoping for more from the birth cert (not sure what exactly) id say there is a high possibility they were moving from one house to another as i think they just landed in birmingham before the birth.
Lyn they were in ireland in 1911 so no census over there for them, how easy that might make things if there was.
I also thought they may have been lodging in someones house in smith st but maybe the seven week gap indicates thats where they settled for a period.
I also heard from the birmingham archive which will email me the baptisimal cert once i send them certain details, so ill let you all know how that goes.
Thanks to all of you again for your help, its really appreciated.
 
always happy to help and yes please keep us informed as we love to know how things turn out...it could turn out he was baptised at st marys church and if its the one i think it is its no longer there...demolished 1920s

lyn
 
oh right jan i didnt realise that birmingham library keep the catholic bapts...but now i do and in that case it could have been st chads church

lyn
 
The Birmingham Archives Ronan refers to are the ones held at St Chad's I think. See link in post #16.
Birmingham Catholic records are supposed to be on Find my Past but subject to a 110 year rule. Otherwise at St Chad's.
 
Yes i have them on both irish census but unfortunitely that doesnt help me in regards to birmingham.
Can somebody help me also in regards to addresses, are there several number ones on each road as certain number ones are in courts?
Im asking not only in regards to smith street but also unett street. In 1901 a kate edwards from wexford is in unett street and im pretty sure i found a 1911 census for her in unett street but cant find her now. We believe this to be alfreds aunt and annies sister.
Really interested in understanding street layouts in birmingham.
Thanks again everybody.
 
I see from Alfred's birth certificate that Annie was married before to a (George ?) Morris. Did she marry again before Savage?
 
Ronandoran said:
Yes i have them on both irish census but unfortunitely that doesnt help me in regards to birmingham.
Can somebody help me also in regards to addresses, are there several number ones on each road as certain number ones are in courts?
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In streets the houses on the street are numbered normally. However the courts are numbered as well. So you might get houses called 1 back of 50, 2 back of 50 etc. Number 50 was on the street and the 1 and 2 were in courts.
You could also get the street numbered and the courts numbered so you might get court 14 with 6 houses. In this case a house might be house 1 court 14. Each court would have a number 1.
 
Ronandoran said:
Im asking not only in regards to smith street but also unett street. In 1901 a kate edwards from wexford is in unett street and im pretty sure i found a 1911 census for her in unett street but cant find her now. We believe this to be alfreds aunt and annies sister.
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There is a Kate Edwards in Unett Street on 1901 census. She is a boarder at 138 Unett Street. Listed as a machinist in a factory and aged 21.

The numbering of houses is not too bad one you get used to the meaning. As Alfreds birth cert says 1 Smith Street I would think it unlikely to be a court house.
 
That's good, wasn't sure I was looking at the right person. Was it Michael Neill rather than O'Neill? Seems to be just Neill on the marriage, baptisms & censuses.
 
Thank you pjmburns, its oneill, if you look closely at the census the o is hidden within the n but they seem to spell it differently all the time
 
Hello again. I got a responce from St. Chads and it looks good. No Godfather was named for Alfred though but the Godmother is Mary Mattews. After further searching I found that Mary Kate Edwards (kate edwards unett st 1901) married a Thomas Henry Matthews in 1902, found them on the 1911 census which had her age wrong but found her again on 1939 register which has her age correct. So it all seems to fit together. So thank you to all of you for your help, specially pjmburns for pointing me to the record and St. Chads.
Im wanting to ask 2 more questions, firstly where is number 1 victoria avenue park road? I found a park road on todays maps but no mention of victoria avenue.
Secondly is it possible to look up English house/land deeds from 1911 - 1920 or are there no such records in existance?
Thanks again
 
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