i agree mort...did not realise all that had to go and the thing is it may have eased the traffic congestion back then but its awful now
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Lady PThank you Mike. I see what you mean about the pubs - It could be that the Erdington Arms wasn't there at this time or the building could be an ale house. It doesn't look as if it was a coaching inn. I don't suppose it was needed - there were plenty of others along the Lichfield Road and the other pubs you mention are not far away.
MikeAn Alehouse was a drinking establishment that did not have a full licence and could only sell beer and . I think, cider. No wine or spirits. People who were allowed these licensees were at first only restricted to those that could afford the licence fee, though this was lightened up later. Initially they were almost all a room , or possibly two, rooms in a private house, though successful ones expanded and often rebuilt. Although they had names used by the local residents, the name was not listed in directories, just the licensee's name and "beerseller" or "beer retailer", though the latter could also include those who were only licensed to sell for consumption off the premises (an "offy"). Similarly they were not picked out specifically on maps.
There is a little bit of memory.....Magicoat, I remember the first time we used it, because it was the future when it came to painting and decorating. Thanks for the memory Lady P. The statement modern by your photo is not supported by the cars in the picture, have you a date for it?Mike, I think the Erdington Arms is the building shown opposite Copeley Lodge (I called it Copeley House in error in an earlier post). Looking at the following photo I believe that the buildings shown at the rear of the pub are those on your map, what do you think? There was a 'Publican' on the 1841 census in the right place and the name 'Erdington Arms' appears on the 1851 census. Looking at the building the styles are completely different so I expect the front was a later addition.
Certainly that is very possible. As I said, it is approximately in the right place, and a later addition would explain differencesMike, I think the Erdington Arms is the building shown opposite Copeley Lodge (I called it Copeley House in error in an earlier post). Looking at the following photo I believe that the buildings shown at the rear of the pub are those on your map, what do you think? There was a 'Publican' on the 1841 census in the right place and the name 'Erdington Arms' appears on the 1851 census. Looking at the building the styles are completely different so I expect the front was a later addition.