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phildrapier

proper brummie kid
Phil,

An indoor scene appears to be a change from all the others of his that I have located, which are outdoors. You could try contacting http://www.rbsa.org.uk/contact-us/ - they have a form on that page - whose forerunners were the Birmingham Academy of Art, or perhaps our very own member Eric (cookie273uk) may know something of the artist as he is a water colour artist himself.

Maurice
Hi Maurice. I have tried R.B.S.A. but they do not have a J.J. BAILEY on their books. Only a James BAILEY born 1922. Too late for our artist I think.
 
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sospiri

Ex-pat Brummie
Phil,

Some years ago I found a painting in the loft of a house I had just bought behind a print in a largish frame. The print wasn't worth anything, but I was thinking of using the rather nice frame, so quite a surprise. It appeared to be by someone called Fitzgerald, but aside from finding another of his paintings that had been auctioned, I never did manage to find out anything about him, and that including going up to Foyles, who have a large art department, and checking the internet and libraries. As far as I know my younger son still has it. I figured that if no one had ever heard of the artist then the picture was not going to be worth a fortune!

Maurice
 

phildrapier

proper brummie kid
Phil,

Some years ago I found a painting in the loft of a house I had just bought behind a print in a largish frame. The print wasn't worth anything, but I was thinking of using the rather nice frame, so quite a surprise. It appeared to be by someone called Fitzgerald, but aside from finding another of his paintings that had been auctioned, I never did manage to find out anything about him, and that including going up to Foyles, who have a large art department, and checking the internet and libraries. As far as I know my younger son still has it. I figured that if no one had ever heard of the artist then the picture was not going to be worth a fortune!

Maurice

Maurice. I have sent for The Dictionary of British Artists from Amazon. I will have a look for Fitzgerald at the same time as I am looking for J.J. BAILEY. Any other details such as initials etc, just send them through to me. Regards Phil.
 

phildrapier

proper brummie kid
Maurice. I have sent for The Dictionary of British Artists from Amazon. I will have a look for Fitzgerald at the same time as I am looking for J.J. BAILEY. Any other details such as initials etc, just send them through to me. Regards Phil.
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Nice picture - I assume it had a connection to a house your ancestor lived in.
Hi Janice. Yes. It belonged to my mother who brought it with her from her parents house in Birmingham when she married my father in 1949. I think it originally belonged to her father's family. Hence the assumed date of around 1910 to 1920.
 

sospiri

Ex-pat Brummie
Phil,

Thanks, I don't remember the initials, but if I speak to my son over the Christmas period, I will ask him.

Maurice
 

phildrapier

proper brummie kid
Phil,

Thanks, I don't remember the initials, but if I speak to my son over the Christmas period, I will ask him.

Maurice

Hi Maurice.
The book British Artists 1880 - 1940 has arrived this afternoon and there are 15 people with the name FITZGERALD listed. Regards Phil.
 

phildrapier

proper brummie kid
Thanks Phil. A pleasant picture

Hi Mikejee.

I have located the Artist J.J. BAILEY in the book British Artists 1880 - 1940 and I am confident that I have the correct artist. He is listed as living in, firstly Handsworth during 1923 and afterwards Sutton Coldfield in 1937. He was a member of the Royal Society of Artists, Birmingham and exhibited a total of 13 paintings there between the years 1923 to 1937. All this fits well with the fact that my mother lived in Handsworth between 1926 and 1952. She was given the painting by her mother in 1949. The title of the painting I still do not know. However if it was one of his 13 paintings which were exhibited at the Royal Society of Artists, Birmingham then I may yet find out.
I would like to thank you and your fellow members for their various contributions to this thread which has allowed me to solve the mystery of this painting's origin.
 

sospiri

Ex-pat Brummie
Hi Phil,

I'm glad to hear that it was money well spent. As and when I speak to my son over the holidays, I will contact you.

Of course, you do realise that you are now the Forum's first source for finding out about local artists? :) :) :)

Maurice
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
May not be same one, but the there was a John Joseph Bailey listed in the 1923 Kellys (private address) living at 61 Leonard Road Handsworth. He has gone by the 1932 edition. Sutton Coldfield was not part of Birmingham in 1937. The name at no 61 in 1911 (for 1911 census ) was Harris.
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
Again, may not be same, but the a john Joseph Bailey lived at 73 Norfolk Road, erdington in the 1911 census (the nearest other of that name is in smethwick). He is 39, born in dublin, wife Florence (40) from aston manor, and he was an elementary schoolteacher in aston manor area
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
The electoral roll shows john joseph was at 61 leonard road till at least 1925, but had left by 1930
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
There are no other John Joseph Baileys listed in the electoral rolls 1920-1925 (though one Joseph John)
 

phildrapier

proper brummie kid
There are no other John Joseph Baileys listed in the electoral rolls 1920-1925 (though one Joseph John)

Hi mikejee.

Seems the John Joseph BAILEY living at 61 Leonard Road, Handsworth is our most likely candidate, especially as he had moved on by the 1932 edition of Kelly's. Incidentally, did Kelly's have him listed as an artist at that address in 1923 ?
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
No. that is why I said private address. Kellys lists commercial mentions and private addresses separately. He was not listed in the commercial list. As he was a schoolteacher, presumably , then at least, it was a hobby
 

phildrapier

proper brummie kid
No. that is why I said private address. Kellys lists commercial mentions and private addresses separately. He was not listed in the commercial list. As he was a schoolteacher, presumably , then at least, it was a hobby

Hi mikejee.

Oh !! I see, Logical then that it would have been a hobby, not his day job. Not a bad artist though, even if it was only a hobby.
 
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