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Roll of Honour WW1

KRRC Roll of Honour. Winchester Cathedral Re: Roll of Honour WW1

Astoness in #24 of this thread and Graham in #27 mention a soldier who served with the Kings Royal Rifle Corps (KRRC) and who died in WW1. The soldiers are respectively Harry Froggett and John Sheldon. The headquarters of the KRRC Regiment was based in Winchester, and there is a Roll of Honour in Winchester Cathedral for KRRC soldiers who died in WW1. I was in Winchester Cathedral this morning and took photographs of the relevant pages. It seemed a special day to do this: August 4th 2014. Dave.
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hi farmerdave...thanks for posting the roll of honour..it was really nice of you to take the time..

lyn
 
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My Great Uncle ARTHUR EDWIN BOTT (Sergeant No. 8075) b. 1891 was in 1st KRRC and was killed 27th July 1916 at Delville Wood. His name is on the Thiepval Memorial.

I wonder if there is any notice in a paper of his death or a photograph of him.

It is only by doing family history that we know of this gentleman, he was our Grandfather's brother.

Remembered with great pride by his Great Nephew and Niece
 
Graham said:
My granddad John Sheldon born 6 Langley Green, Oldbury, was with the 1st bat KRR Reg N° 4581 embarked to France 12 Aug 1914 went missing in the field 8 Aug 1914 and died POW 23 Dec 1918. I'd love to find out where he was taken POW.

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/...rel=in&GScntry=8&GSob=n&GRid=109601781&df=all&
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Thanks Graham. An interesting and sad story. First battalion KRRC war diaries might help. You state that he went missing in the field on 8 Aug 1914. Did you mean 1915? The missing date quoted is before he embarked??? Dave
 
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Did anyone see "Brothers in Arms" on ITV last night ? I noticed there was a man who'd served in one of the B'ham Pals Battalions speaking but unfortunately I missed his name.
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A couple of pics of Ted Francis taken from the programme. He's in the middle of the b&w pic.

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Ted really captured the atmosphere of when these young men signed up. He said he went to sign up at Birmingham Town Hall and the queue of soldiers "was more like a music hall queue" and comments in the queue like: "We'll show those Germans, we'll push 'em back". When he told his mom he'd signed up her reaction was: "You little fool, don't you understand, thieves and vagabonds join the army"! Viv.




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rowan said:
My Great Uncle ARTHUR EDWIN BOTT (Sergeant No. 8075) b. 1891 was in 1st KRRC and was killed 27th July 1916 at Delville Wood. His name is on the Thiepval Memorial.

I wonder if there is any notice in a paper of his death or a photograph of him.

It is only by doing family history that we know of this gentleman, he was our Grandfather's brother.

Remembered with great pride by his Great Nephew and Niece
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hi rowan i have got the announcement of my rellies death from the british newspaper archive...there are loads there for brummies who died...you can either type in the name of the person or if you know it the street where they lived at the time of the war also if you know the next of kin is always useful

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Hi Lynn thank you for your reply it is so kind of you. I do know that the next of kin was his brother FRANK T.J. BOTT I think his parents were dead. A request was sent by Frank to the Army for Arthur's medal rather tersely!!

Thank you again Lynn
 
TED FRANCIS

When I started to research for my book Birmingham Pals around 20 years ago now. A gentleman rang me up and asked if I wanted information about the 3rd Birmingham Battalion and I asked him if his father had served with them. He replied "no, I served with them" !!! It was Ted Francis. He was about 94 at the time and he invited me round to have a chat. He was a splendid chap and a true gentleman. His brother, Harry, also served and was wounded by a sniper when a bullet parted his hair, so to speak.
He had a younger brother in another battalion and when he and his comrades climbed out of the trench to advance across No Man's Land, holding his rifle, he was hit by two bullets. One in each elbow.
Ted was hit by a small piece of shrapnel in the back of his hand and towards the end of the war a shell landed near a dugout that he was in and the wooden beam holding the roof collapsed and broke his ankle.
Seeing him on Television the other night reminded me of the days I used to pop round and visit him.
RIP Ted

Terry
 
Hi Terry. I'm glad that you got to get to know Ted a little. He seemed such a strong man with a great sense of duty. Given the horrors they experienced you do wonder how these soldiers maintained any sense of duty. And especially for the Pals, with many of their personal friends killed. The programme illustrated some aspects of the horror of the war; the loss of life, the horrific scenes etc. But it seemed to only scratch the surface of the trauma aspects. So much was pushed under the carpet, most of which they just didn't talk about and kept locked in. But at least those men who appeared on the programme felt more able to talk about it (and publicly) in their later life. Must have provided them with at least a little relief of the horrors they'd carried around with them for all of their adult life.

The other family members who you mentioned who served seemed to have been real survivors! Viv.


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How lovely for you Terry that you actually knew Ted. I bet he told you some tales.
 
Lynn, There are 2 addresses I have for ARTHUR EDWIN BOTT: in 1910 the family were at 105 GRANGE ROAD SMALL HEATH and in 1916 his father FRANK THOMAS BOTT was living at 181 GREEN LANE SMALL HEATH.

One of his brothers JAMES HENRY BOTT (my Grandfather) was in N.M.M.B.F.A (RAMC (T) service number 1207 and the Green Lane address is where his Father FRANK THOMAS must have been living as he gave him as his next of kin.

Also his oldest brother FRANK JOSEPH THOMAS BOTT (number 8096) was the one who sent the terse letter demanding ARTHUR's medal and his address was 25 CRANMORE ROAD WOLVERHAMPTON in 1920.

He too was in the Army. I have his address at c/o OFFICERS COMMANDING 161st COMPANY ROYAL DEFENSE CORP. PRISONER OF WAR. BROXTEN in Dec 1916 this I am lead to believe was a place where Prisoners of War were guarded by the Army.

Hope you can make sense of this
 
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hi rowan and yes it makes sense....if you are not signed up to the british newspaper archives (im not now) then maybe one of our members who is could do a search for you to find the announcement of arthurs death...

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after reading this thread how come so many brummies were in the kings own rifle corps who were based in winchster my own grandfarther was in this regement and went to france in july 1915 with the 12th battalion was wounded in the head by a sniper and shipped home later that year he died in 1931
 
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after reading this thread how come so many brummies were in the kings own rifle corps who were based in winchster my own grandfarther was in this regement and went to france in july 1915 with the 12th battalion was wounded in the head by a sniper and shipped home later that year he died in 1931
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I have a book called Birmingham's Roll of Honour. It has many people who survived rather than those that died and is therefore not the same as the excellent website The Hall of Memory.
 
Hi Elmdon: My Uncle William Venville was in the same Battalion(12th) King's Own Rifles, as your Grandfather and was shipped to France on the 22 July 1915. Sadly, he was killed in action on the 8th September 1915. I am not sure why he enlisted in Winchester as he lived in Witton,Birmingham. I have all of his war service records which give a great amount of detail. He was sent for training at Blackdown Camp first and then to Lark Hill, which was on Salisbury Plain. The records include forms about his demise, a list of his possessions sent home to his parents, my grandparents. There is also a record of his missed times returning to camp at Blackdown when he was in training. My Grandfather's letter to the War Department asking for his Service Medal which was not sent to them and was finally received by the family in 1919. Our family has his cap badge which was shattered by a German sniper bullet as he went "over the top" also his medals,bible and letters written to the family by his Sergeant Major after William's death. There is a list of all the men in the 12th Battalion(Service) at the same time on this web site: https://www.ww1photos.com/RifleBrigade.html
 
harry froggett winchester cathederal.jpghello jenny my rellie harry froggatt was in the same regiment and he lived in aston...the headquarters of the kings royal rifles was in winchester and harry is on the roll of honour in winchester cathedral and i would think so is your uncle...one of our members was at the cathederal some time ago and very kindly took this photo for me..harry married in the january before he died...
 
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Thanks for info strange my mom told us that her dad was shot by sniper he was lucky. He had a steel plate fitted to his skull and lived till 1931
 
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