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Williams Clive Private 57334 1/8 Royal Warwickshire Regiment

Margarets birth registration incorrectly transcribed as Margaret E McColgin 1918 Tamworth mother Chilwell although her brothers Hugh 1916 and Eric 1921 are correct as Mc Coll.
 
1/8 Royal Warwichshire Regiment my Grandfather was Fredrick Alden and I believe was a Colour Sergeant and was one of only 22 to come out of the battle of the Somme, he died when in his 90's.
 
Unfortunately these people don't say much all we have are old photographs, and I met an old teacher while at Boldmere High School for Boys in about 1961 he was one of the first world war soldiers that had been trained as teachers after the war. This teacher asked me if my Grandfather was Fredrick Alden I said yes and it turned out it was friends with my Grandfather and this teacher was in the Royal Flying Corp, and my Grandfather he said had flown with him also said my Grandfather was also a sniper which I did not know but this all was confirmed by his daughter, mothers half sister also my aunt named Olive.
 
I've been out of touch with this for a while. I often find when, on the verge of a research discovery, which then does not sit 'true', that it drains me emotionally and I walk away.

I know that someone out there knows Clive, has his medals and a photo. I know that to be true. I was told a number of years ago that that person wanted to remain private. I appreciate and understand their wishes, yet that person does not place a poppy cross in Westminster Abbey gardens, nor do they pay for a poppy wreath to be placed at Clive's grave in France. I do, so it frustrates me that this person will not share further their information.
 
I am sorry to hear that. The problem today I think is trust many people are very nervous of trusting others they don't know. I know what you mean though. You have no interest in owning these things just a photograph would be enough to add to your research. I have photo's of medals and it's better than nothing. If the person who has these items would send copies to me or contact me by IM I would be more than happy to help as a "go between" as it were. Clive you deserve at least a message for the kindness you have shown and the time you have spent bringing Clive's name back to "life". I do hope someone makes contact and this is only research done out of interest and kindness.
 
Thank you, Wendy. Kind and comforting words. You are a warming glow in an oft cold and lonely place!

Sadly, I no longer have the email of the person who had kindly written to me to tell me this major, but unhelpful, news. You know, if I could find a photograph of Clive, just so I can see his face, it would bring to a close my research. Yet this is the case for us all!

*hugs*

Clive
 
Morning! I wonder if the kindly faces are still here - Wendy?

It has been three years since I was last on here. Today, 18 May, in 1894, Clive was born. I was thinking, because of all the interest in WWI, that someone might just come forward with the one and only thing I would like - a photograph of Private Clive Williams.

Love all

Clive
 
Hello Clive I have searched and will always remember the name Clive Williams. I have asked locally with sadly no luck as yet. I will keep trying though. We won't give up! Nice to hear from you.
 
awww Wendy! Great to see you are still here "Legendary Brummie"! I know I haven't been on for a while, but the search continues :) Hope all is well and dandy with you? x
 
Hello,

I'm back again! Three years on from last time.

On Tuesday 30 October 2018, I travelled to Rouen and visited 57334 Private Clive Williams, 1/8 Royal Warwickshire Regiment's grave for the first time.

A truly humbling experience and one full of emotion.

I still long for the photograph!

Best wishes

Clive
 
I have a photograph of 1/8 Regiment taken sometime between 1915 and March 1917 - might this help in your search?
 
With the kind permission of member PatHayward, I post here a two-part photograph that Pat believes was taken sometime after 1915 of 1/8 Royal Warwickshire Regiment. This is a very generous offering by PatHayward and I am very grateful. Anyone know any names?image1.JPG
 

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Sorry Folks, I hate to be a wet blanket but there's a hell of a mixture of cap badges in this photo. Without doing my homework I'm wondering if this is, in fact, a picture of a Machine Gun course. (Possibly Divisional).
 
I am stunned. This photo belonged to my late father in law - he was sitting on the front row at the right hand end of the second part of the picture and he was in 1/8 Royal Warwicks. We inherited the photo when he passed away over 40 years ago and my husband and I bought it to the summer meet-up of the Forum in 2015.
 
However, isn't it wonderful that PatHayward has provided a photo, and one that features her late father-in-law, who was in the 1/8 Royal Warwickshire Regiment. He probably new 57334 Clive Williams. I know, I feel it, there is a photo out there somewhere. Someone else still honours his memory too... I just feel it!
 
While it's clear that the photo is not of 1/8 RWR, the Warwicks' cap badge is very much in evidence. I find it fascinating, identifying the various regiments. There are even two men from the Bedfordshire Yeomanry there, which really surprised me.
 
For display on the forum I have joined the two images which are in post#44. The original colours are retained but some tidy-up of the hedge and trees in the background.
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I am looking forward to reading this book as part of my learning about Clive
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I've no idea how to link a person's name on this forum but I would like to extend a very public thank you to Terry Carter for his kind help and information.

Like so many of us on this site and others like it, my only determination is to keep alive the spirit of those who died
 
As this amazing day of commemoration itself becomes a refrain carried in the wind, I must say that the BBC has done an excellent job today.

I wish to extend my grateful thanks to everyone on this site who has directed and assisted and advised me since I first came here in my search for Clive. You are all ever so kind.

To everyone who remembered someone today, either from the First World War, or any of the wars, conflicts, and terrorist attacks since, may God hold your loved ones close in gratitude for their sacrificial devotion to protecting decency, morals, beliefs, and democracy.

"And in dying that we are born to eternal peace"
 
Tomorrow, 20/11/18, is the 100th commemoration of the death of Clive.

I know that someone out there knows about Clive, has a photo, his medals, his memory. Please, I just want to see a photo of him.

I will, until my last day, continue to honour Clive's memory.

RIP
 
You had a few missing dates on your first post and I can't see that you found them.

Amplias Williams appears to be living alone in Atherstone in 1939 (register) and her death was registered Dec qtr 1941.

Arthur Swain Williams death was registered in Totnes district, Jun qtr 1954. With a name like Williams there's too many possible marriages to know if any of them are his (maybe Ada Marler) but there's a probate record which might list a family member.

Henrietta Amplias Swain Williams did indeed marry William Fenn and death is registered 1974 Sutton Coldfield district. Henrietta and William travelled to the US in 1939.
 
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Ada seems to be his wife then (as above) and Dorothy his daughter. There were three Williams/Marler children registered. As well as Dorothy (reg 1921) there was a Joyce who is someone else's and a John E (reg 1934 Bham) who I also doubt is their child.

Dorothy marries Geoffrey (Philip ?) Dale, reg 1951 in Coventry and appears to remarry to Edwin G Fogwill, reg 1960 in Totnes.
 
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There was a Dorothy Fogwill on the eroll for Paignton in 2004. Birth date 1921 to 1923. No death online (registers only to 2007).

{Possible death for Edwin in 1986.)
 
It appears that Dorothy didn't have children from either marriage which could mean that she was the last living descendant of Clive's parents.
 
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