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Passages, Alleyways Gulletts and Snickets of Old Brum

Local History

master brummie
I'm having a problem locating this image of "Cole Holloway" Bartley Green as I can find no other reference to it. It's one of Sir Benjamin Stone's photos so obviously it dates before his death in 1914. I'm beginning to think it must be a forerunner of the Holloway that ran from Merritts Hill down to Merritts Brook Lane Northfield. I walked up and down there many a time with my brother in law for a drink at the Highlander pub at the top of the hill when my sister lived in Vinyard Road.

Can anybody confirm this or even refute the idea, because I really haven't a clue.

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It's named as Cole Holloway, off Cromwell Lane. Now just a paved pathway through to Woodcock Lane.
 

oldbrit

OldBrit in Exile
When I worked for Bill Bloye the sculptor, we did sign painting for the Railway time table's in a place under then tracks somewhere, Cold dank place that I hated, had to make the tea for the workers. Hand painted the Time tables in red and blue. Wonder if any photos of those still around? This was in the 1950s
 

Nello

proper brummie kid
With regard to Shaw's Passage - think its been mentioned on here before but Shaw’s Passage came into being c1888 and took its name from Henry & Frank Shaw’s Nail factory which was actually the south side of the Moor Street line. A mate of mine runs Motor-mech the garage at the west end of the passage so I'm a frequent visitor! Those Graffiti'ed back walls have made up many a Court/Industrial unit over the years.....
 

Vivienne14

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Staff member
A few names that have long gone, but were certainly around in the 1770s (from Sketchley’s Directory of Birmingham):

Butts (maybe renamed ? - it had 79 houses)
Cabbage Row (quite a small row with only 8 houses)
Candlestick Alley (13 houses)
Cracknells Yard (only 8 houses)
Dog Yard (a mere 5 houses)
Green-Tree Yard (another with just 5 houses)
Horse-Shoe Yard (just 4 houses)
Over the Shamble (16 houses - interesting name)

I expect many of these, if not all were absorbed into other streets as Birmingham expanded. No idea where these were located in the centre of Birmingham. Viv.
 

Pedrocut

Master Barmy
A few names that have long gone, but were certainly around in the 1770s (from Sketchley’s Directory of Birmingham):

Butts (maybe renamed ? - it had 79 houses)
Cabbage Row (quite a small row with only 8 houses)
Candlestick Alley (13 houses)
Cracknells Yard (only 8 houses)
Dog Yard (a mere 5 houses)
Green-Tree Yard (another with just 5 houses)
Horse-Shoe Yard (just 4 houses)
Over the Shamble (16 houses - interesting name)

I expect many of these, if not all were absorbed into other streets as Birmingham expanded. No idea where these were located in the centre of Birmingham. Viv.
Just one mention in 1865 of a Cabbage Row, Stewart Street. Not mentioned in Kelly’s of 1868 where Stewart Street is listed as Spring Hill to Cope Street.
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
Have gone through all the entries in the 1851 and 1861 censuses and there is no mention of a Cabbage Row.
 

Pedrocut

Master Barmy
Have gone through all the entries in the 1851 and 1861 censuses and there is no mention of a Cabbage Row.
It is unlikely that any of the names on the list can be tracked. The Post in 1869 makes a list including the ones mentioned... "some of the mere names of the streets are curious now, as the names have been changed, or the streets themselves have disappeared."
 

mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
There is a Dog Yard in loveday st (see Aris. Birm Gaz. 27.5.1871). There is also a Mary A Wilson at house 2 court 14 Loveday St. This is conveniently behind the dog pub

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mikejee

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Staff member
There is another Dog yard, in Adams St (See Birm post 21.2.1874). There is also a Dog Tavern in the 1871 census in Adams St, at no 54. however numbering was changed shortly after and I have not been able to identify exact position of the then no 54
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mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
There was a Horse shoe yard off St Martins Lane between nos 3, and 4, next to the Horse shoe pub. It looks like it was about half way between Jamaica Row and Moat lane, and seems to have disappeared soon after 1855.
 

Astoness

TRUE BRUMMIE MODERATOR
Staff member
A few names that have long gone, but were certainly around in the 1770s (from Sketchley’s Directory of Birmingham):

Butts (maybe renamed ? - it had 79 houses)
Cabbage Row (quite a small row with only 8 houses)
Candlestick Alley (13 houses)
Cracknells Yard (only 8 houses)
Dog Yard (a mere 5 houses)
Green-Tree Yard (another with just 5 houses)
Horse-Shoe Yard (just 4 houses)
Over the Shamble (16 houses - interesting name)

I expect many of these, if not all were absorbed into other streets as Birmingham expanded. No idea where these were located in the centre of Birmingham. Viv.

fascinating names viv...reminds me of one i found while researching my neck o the woods some years back called vampire yard which was at the back of the vampire pub newtown...scary or what :eek::eek:
 

Elaine Hemming

knowlegable brummie
Yes I know this in Dale End, but in the first shot to the left of E.H.James (1906) there is an obvious to die for Alleyway with a sign I cannot read. Then in the shot after Hitler's lads had rearranged it (1918), and it was rebuilt, the alleyway is a much wider looking roadway whose name I still can't read....help me please...is the former one for the collection, or both perhaps?
Hello, on the map I have it show that it was called Henn's Walk the big building next to E H James looks like St Peters Church and directly opposite Henn's Walk on the other side of the road is Rope Walk - regards Elaine
 

Elaine Hemming

knowlegable brummie
This one has always puzzled me. An old pub of my youth, THE TALBOT in Digbeth High Street or Moat Row, depending which entrance you used. It is in a fairly wide looking passage, as you can see from the map, but it I can't recall that cut through ever having a name? Mike? The original Talbot pub occupied the site in 1785. Looks by architecture (well what's left of the bottom half after Hitler's bombers knocked out the top two floors in 1941) to be rebuilt in the mid 1800s. Closed in the 70s I think.

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This was my Grandfather Pub, he was here up 1947 when he passed away, his name was Thomas William Gibson.
 

Elaine Hemming

knowlegable brummie
Found this picture of the front of House - Talbot Inn, Moat Lane. Plus a picture of another old pub the Bell in the oft mentioned Phillips Street.


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I have included another photo of The Talbot, this is the pub my Grandfather Had, until he passed away in 1947, His name was Thomas William Gibson, it is not a very good photo, but this photo is of the front of the Public House, the one on here is the back of the public house. - regards Elaine.
 

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