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1867 in Park Street Digbeth, and the results of the Murphy Riots a couple of days before make it unrecognisable as a pub. It is the building next to W. Broughtons Stables and it was named the Old Phoenix Inn.
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1867 in Park Street Digbeth, and the results of the Murphy Riots a couple of days before make it unrecognisable as a pub. It is the building next to W. Broughtons Stables and it was named the Old Phoenix Inn.
Edit. There is a thread covering the archaeological digs of the area which may be of interest on the thread here https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/for...gs-park-street-pershore-street-digbeth.49120/
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Is this now the sole remaining house in Park Street (at the corner of Shaws Passage) ? Is it staying or is earmarked for removal ? Or has it in fact already been removed ? Viv.
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Is this now the sole remaining house in Park Street (at the corner of Shaws Passage) ? Is it staying or is earmarked for removal ? Or has it in fact already been removed ? Viv.
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horsencart
master brummie
The House? is still there but I suspect that at one time it was either rebuilt or had a big make over? it is still the oldest building in Park St but how old it is I do not know I must get a decent shot of it front and back, I need to look at the plans to see what will happen to Park St
Thanks H&C - think it must have started out as a house. Could Mikejee pinpoint it on an early map please ? Thanks. Viv.
horsencart
master brummie
What me think that there may have been a rebuild if this drawing is to scale and that artistic licence has been used, the end of the building is a bit different from what is the now, it is a small building but is it the same build as today,
Yes, not easy to work out the history of this building. So going back to basics, these are the origins of Park Street and Shaw’s Passage. Park Street was originally Little Park Street and Shaw’s Passage didn’t come into being until around 1888.
From our Street Name Origins thread (https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/street-name-origins.38459/) :
Park Street. Named in the 1553 Survey of the manor, this was originally Little Park Street and ran along the northern edge of the parkland belonging to the lords of the manor of Birmingham. Rotton Park would have been the main hunting ground.
Shaw’s Passage. Came into being c1888 and took its name from Henry & Frank Shaw’s Nail Manufactory.
Viv.
From our Street Name Origins thread (https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/street-name-origins.38459/) :
Park Street. Named in the 1553 Survey of the manor, this was originally Little Park Street and ran along the northern edge of the parkland belonging to the lords of the manor of Birmingham. Rotton Park would have been the main hunting ground.
Shaw’s Passage. Came into being c1888 and took its name from Henry & Frank Shaw’s Nail Manufactory.
Viv.
ray evason
master brummie
Is the picture of the soldiers on horseback in park st, there was no caption?? Many thanks,my mother in law was born in one of the courts in park st in 1902.
yes they are on horseback trying to restore law and order the day after the park st riots of 1867 and historically your mother in law was born in a very important part of the city although its doubtful she would have known it at that time
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ray evason
master brummie
Many thanks Lyn
This was Sampson Lloyd’s house in Park Street. Sorry no date. Viv.
Park Street in 1902.
Presumably this is ‘Old Park House’ in Park Street Digbeth (but please correct me if I’m wrong). Image from the Shoothill site - no date given. Viv.
Presumably this is ‘Old Park House’ in Park Street Digbeth (but please correct me if I’m wrong). Image from the Shoothill site - no date given. Viv.
Radiorails
master brummie
There is a larger photo of the 1902 one in this thread:
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/old-street-pics.38737/page-260#post-624971
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/old-street-pics.38737/page-260#post-624971
From the Shoothill site, New Vale Court on Park Street. The first image is of #19 New Vale Court and seems to be next to the railway embankment. No specific numbering for the other two. Viv.
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Again from Shoothill, all housing labelled as “slum” housing in 23 Court off Park Street. No specific numbering for the middle image. Viv.
Houses 2-6
Houses 7-11
Houses 2-6
Houses 7-11
Finally
No’s 5-8 Court 22
And 97 - 99 Park Street
No’s 5-8 Court 22
And 97 - 99 Park Street
Wonder if Mike could pinpoint New Vale Court and Courts 22 and 23 and #97-99 Park Street on a map please ? Thanks. Viv.
An interesting piece by Sarah Hayes for the Birmingham Conservation Trust about the origins of Park Street. Viv.
“Park Street or le Parkestrete was developed to make way for the many burgeoning industries, thereby cutting into the lord’s deer park, on what was then the edge of town. Although Park Street no longer lines the periphery of Birmingham, it does in many ways mark the edge of its shopping quarter lying adjacent to Selfridges and its attached car park. In this sense, Park Street is still on the fringe of Birmingham for many, particularly the enthusiastic shopper who merely walks this medieval road in pursuit of one of Birmingham’s biggest twenty-first century.
Much like Park Street, Overparkstret was also testament to the growth of Birmingham, with the lord once again sacrificing more of his own land for the good of the town, and of course his own pocket. “The name is simple and reflects exactly where this new road would lie: ‘over the lord’s park’, or at least part of it. Maybe Overparkstret and Le Parkstret were cut at the same time, maybe they weren’t, but what is clear is that they came into existence to facilitate the expansion of some of Birmingham’s early industries like tanning and pottery making.
Perhaps the word park in two of the town’s roads which also lay very close to one another was slightly confusing for its inhabitants and traders, as Overparkstret was eventually renamed. In 1344 we find the earliest known reference to its new name: le Mulestret or Moulestret, in honour of the richest family in town, after the De Birminghams, at least. As we know, le Moulestret is today’s very own Moor Street“.
“Park Street or le Parkestrete was developed to make way for the many burgeoning industries, thereby cutting into the lord’s deer park, on what was then the edge of town. Although Park Street no longer lines the periphery of Birmingham, it does in many ways mark the edge of its shopping quarter lying adjacent to Selfridges and its attached car park. In this sense, Park Street is still on the fringe of Birmingham for many, particularly the enthusiastic shopper who merely walks this medieval road in pursuit of one of Birmingham’s biggest twenty-first century.
Much like Park Street, Overparkstret was also testament to the growth of Birmingham, with the lord once again sacrificing more of his own land for the good of the town, and of course his own pocket. “The name is simple and reflects exactly where this new road would lie: ‘over the lord’s park’, or at least part of it. Maybe Overparkstret and Le Parkstret were cut at the same time, maybe they weren’t, but what is clear is that they came into existence to facilitate the expansion of some of Birmingham’s early industries like tanning and pottery making.
Perhaps the word park in two of the town’s roads which also lay very close to one another was slightly confusing for its inhabitants and traders, as Overparkstret was eventually renamed. In 1344 we find the earliest known reference to its new name: le Mulestret or Moulestret, in honour of the richest family in town, after the De Birminghams, at least. As we know, le Moulestret is today’s very own Moor Street“.
Thanks Mike. So NV Court was around where Moor Street Station/Selfridges Car Park now stands. Viv.
just looking at the overlay map viv...you can see the curve of new vale court on the old map then when fading that out (for those that do not know move the blue dot) to todays map it looks to me like there is a building smack on top of where the court was...will need to zoom in to see what building it is
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=52.4781&lon=-1.8946&layers=6&b=1
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Using your overlays link Lyn and Mike’s map, the residents of Court 22 would be very surprised to discover a Selfridges store in their neighbourhood ! How the wheels of time can change the fortunes of an area. Thanks Mike and Lyn. Viv.
