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Park Road Hockley

Astoness

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ok will have a search around and post on here should i find anything of use to you

lyn
 

popstar62

Park Road
Hi everyone.

It looks like it's been a while since the last Park Road post but I'm hoping somebody can answer a question.

I am a current resident of Park Road and whilst it now looks remarkably different to how it was, I'm very interested in the history of it.
The two photos below show Wilke's shop from different periods. The first one is tagged as 1953 but I'm not sure about the year of the second, possibly mid to late 40's?

My question is: you'll see a telephone box in the earlier shot which has disappeared from the 1953 shot. Does anybody know when/why the GPO removed it? It seems strange that in an era when most households didn't possess a telephone that this telephone box would have been vital to such a heavily populated street like Park Road.

I thank you in advance for any input.



Park Road  No 236 Hockley - 11-4-1957.jpg
 

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Radiorails

master brummie
Looking at the photos in this thread I believe it could well be that the telephone box partly obstructed the pavement and might also have made vision for vehicles entering from Wharf Road difficult particularly as road vehicles were now far more in evidence than earlier times. The wall, where the box once stood does not seem to suggest any alteration.
Purely a guess, but if that is correct then maybe someone remembers where the box was re-sited especially as popstar mentioned the need by a large number of people for public telephones.
 

Roger Moody

Brummie babby
Even the Archives in Central Library cant help - they have an index record of drawings for "a shop and 8 Houses" dated 1867 but the drawings could not be found - it looks like the area was cleared without any record photos.
I will keep trying but thanks anyway
Hi. My name is Roger Moody and I lived at 253 Park Road from1948 until 1962. The car Bill Jefforson had was a 1938 Austin 18 which he sold to me in 1961 for£20. I used to help him in the mornings getting his fruit and veg outside and of a Christmas help him dress his turkeys. We backed onto Soho Pool Wharf and of a night we were rocked to sleep by the sound of the trains shunting. if I can be of any help in what you are looking for please get in touch. Roger.
 

Roger Moody

Brummie babby
Hi Lyn

This does not show what want but its an interesting photo anyway -- probably late 1940's judging by Mr Jefferesons car (a Lanchester I think with its roof rack for carrying boxes of vegetables from the market). Also the "Red" telephone box is missing from outside Wilkes Newsagent.
Thanks anyway

David
Hi Lyn

This does not show what want but its an interesting photo anyway -- probably late 1940's judging by Mr Jefferesons car (a Lanchester I think with its roof rack for carrying boxes of vegetables from the market). Also the "Red" telephone box is missing from outside Wilkes Newsagent.
Thanks anyway

David
I lived at 253 Park Road from 1948 to 1961 and the phone box was always their. Roger.
 

ailbemoss

New Member
I have a friend who lived in Park Road - she does not have a computer so she won't have seen this. Her father ran the pub near Factory Road, I think it was called The Railway or The Engine or something similar. Her name was Susan Jenkins. Came from quite a large family, Dot, Maurice (Mossy), Shirley, Linda, Barry - cannot remember the others. Does anyone remember this family? I also had a friend whom I lost touch with who lived on The Pleck, which was near the railway bridge, her name was Carolyn Walker. I have been trying for ages to locate her, but although I know she lived at Frankley for some time, she seems to have moved away and I cannot trace her. Any help would be very appreciated.

Shortie
Hi Shortie!
Came across an old comment of yours in the Birmingham Forum about a pub in Park Road. Could the pub be The Old Engine which was down by the railway bridge? I am trying to find a photo and any hep would be appreciated
 

Roger Moody

Brummie babby
Hi Shortie!
Came across an old comment of yours in the Birmingham Forum about a pub in Park Road. Could the pub be The Old Engine which was down by the railway bridge? I am trying to find a photo and any hep would be appreciated
Hi Shortie!
Came across an old comment of yours in the Birmingham Forum about a pub in Park Road. Could the pub be The Old Engine which was down by the railway bridge? I am trying to find a photo and any hep would be appreciated
Hi Shortie. The pub on the corner of Norton Street was the Railway. Further down on the right hand side on the corner of Factory road and Park road was the Soho Tavern, further down on the same side was the Engine just before the bridge. my dad was a regular in the Soho Tavern, his name was Clem Moody, he also used the Wonder Vaults in Benson Road and the Don in Lodge road. I went to Benson Road school in the early 1950s and lived at 253 Park Road. Roger.
 

Roger Moody

Brummie babby
Hi. My name is Roger Moody and I lived at 253 Park Road from1948 until 1962. The car Bill Jefforson had was a 1938 Austin 18 which he sold to me in 1961 for£20. I used to help him in the mornings getting his fruit and veg outside and of a Christmas help him dress his turkeys. We backed onto Soho Pool Wharf and of a night we were rocked to sleep by the sound of the trains shunting. if I can be of any help in what you are looking for please get in t
 

ParkerBrum

proper brummie kid
Hi Roger, saw your post and wondered how your brother Tony is? I was in the same class at Benson Road as Tony and went to your house a couple of times, skipping over the wall onto the embankment down to the Soho Pool Wharf. I lived at the bottom of Norton Street, opposite the Railway Tavern and also used to love the sound of the trains shunting and the clatter of the trucks when the bumpers met - Roger Parker, if you chat to Tony.
 

TAM253

Brummie babby
Hi Roger, saw your post and wondered how your brother Tony is? I was in the same class at Benson Road as Tony and went to your house a couple of times, skipping over the wall onto the embankment down to the Soho Pool Wharf. I lived at the bottom of Norton Street, opposite the Railway Tavern and also used to love the sound of the trains shunting and the clatter of the trucks when the bumpers met - Roger Parker, if you chat to Tony.
Hi Roger - remember you well, hope you and family all ok. Happy memories of Park Road/Norton Street, mom worked for a spell at the McDougals flour factory just up the way from you if I remember correctly but had to pack it up as she was allergic to it (the flour that is not the work!). My brother Roger and I had a shock when we returned several years ago and saw what they had done to the wharf that ran at the back of our house although I have to say it was an improvement but still prefer the memories of how it was. I am still upset with you for winning all my marbles off me, still reckon you were cheating lol!! Great memories of Benson Road and Miss Legge, she was also the headmistress for both Roger and my sister Jean who was 9 years older than me so she had been around for some time and if I remember correctly was made a dame. Strangely I can hardly recollect any of the other teachers so I must have stayed out of trouble. Hope you are keeping well - Tony
 

ParkerBrum

proper brummie kid
Hi Roger - remember you well, hope you and family all ok. Happy memories of Park Road/Norton Street, mom worked for a spell at the McDougals flour factory just up the way from you if I remember correctly but had to pack it up as she was allergic to it (the flour that is not the work!). My brother Roger and I had a shock when we returned several years ago and saw what they had done to the wharf that ran at the back of our house although I have to say it was an improvement but still prefer the memories of how it was. I am still upset with you for winning all my marbles off me, still reckon you were cheating lol!! Great memories of Benson Road and Miss Legge, she was also the headmistress for both Roger and my sister Jean who was 9 years older than me so she had been around for some time and if I remember correctly was made a dame. Strangely I can hardly recollect any of the other teachers so I must have stayed out of trouble. Hope you are keeping well - Tony
Hi Tony, I hope you and your family are well, too. I know what you mean about the industrial estate - better in some ways but the Goods Yard always seemed better. Winning your marbles? Can't quite remember that but whatever happened, I'm losing my marbles gradually now! I loved Benson Road School and Miss Legge always seemed to have the air of authority but also kindness and she deserved some reward for looking after all of us. I remember Mr Griffiths, Mr Taylor & Mr Evans as teachers. I'm attaching two maps which show a proposed road on the wharf in a pre-1884 map, then another for 1888 with the first four lines of the yard. They also show that the canal used to cross the railway from Lodge Road, to Wharf Lane (which is why it and Wharf Street were named wharf, obviously). I'm not sure when this section of canal was removed (either through a leak or maybe bomb damage)? There may be a couple of other interesting bits to look at. Best wishes, Rog
 

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TAM253

Brummie babby
Hi Tony, I hope you and your family are well, too. I know what you mean about the industrial estate - better in some ways but the Goods Yard always seemed better. Winning your marbles? Can't quite remember that but whatever happened, I'm losing my marbles gradually now! I loved Benson Road School and Miss Legge always seemed to have the air of authority but also kindness and she deserved some reward for looking after all of us. I remember Mr Griffiths, Mr Taylor & Mr Evans as teachers. I'm attaching two maps which show a proposed road on the wharf in a pre-1884 map, then another for 1888 with the first four lines of the yard. They also show that the canal used to cross the railway from Lodge Road, to Wharf Lane (which is why it and Wharf Street were named wharf, obviously). I'm not sure when this section of canal was removed (either through a leak or maybe bomb damage)? There may be a couple of other interesting bits to look at. Best wishes, Rog
Hi Rog - many thanks for the maps. Had to smile when I saw the 'Lunatic Asylum', don't think in these PC days that would be allowed now!. My uncle Joe was a nurse there, he lived in Bacchus Road so did not have far to go to work. Talking of Bacchus Road I always remember using the baths there as we had no running hot water, it was a tanner for the smallest piece of soap you have ever seen and a council towel that was as stiff as a board. Me and my mate Stan Wassell (remember him) used to double up so we would save a tanner and the attendant would regulate the amount of hot water you had with an allen key that fitted the tap!. Happy days, take care, Tony
 

ParkerBrum

proper brummie kid
Yep, the PC brigade would go mad about that - there was also the "Royal Hospital for Crippled Children" on Bristol Road, Northfield (Royal Orthopaedic) and there must have been many more. I remember Stanley Wassell - did he live in Devonshire Road, or Avenue? We never used the baths in Bacchus Road, we always used the old tin bath, although the baths would probably have been less fuss and cleaner! At some stage during (probably) the last year at Benson Road, I took a Kodak box camera to school and I took four pictures - three of some of the lads (one with two teachers on it) and another of five of the girls. You're on one of the photos, a group of 10 - I don't know if you'd like to see it? Regards, Rog
 

TAM253

Brummie babby
Yep, the PC brigade would go mad about that - there was also the "Royal Hospital for Crippled Children" on Bristol Road, Northfield (Royal Orthopaedic) and there must have been many more. I remember Stanley Wassell - did he live in Devonshire Road, or Avenue? We never used the baths in Bacchus Road, we always used the old tin bath, although the baths would probably have been less fuss and cleaner! At some stage during (probably) the last year at Benson Road, I took a Kodak box camera to school and I took four pictures - three of some of the lads (one with two teachers on it) and another of five of the girls. You're on one of the photos, a group of 10 - I don't know if you'd like to see it? Regards, Rog
Hi Rog - I believe it was Devonshire Avenue, I know it was just up the road from the 'wreck' as we used to call it. Yes please I would love to see the photos, I wonder if I have changed much? lol Take care - Tony
 

ParkerBrum

proper brummie kid
Hi Rog - I believe it was Devonshire Avenue, I know it was just up the road from the 'wreck' as we used to call it. Yes please I would love to see the photos, I wonder if I have changed much? lol Take care - Tony
I'll sort them out and scan them - a little bit of history in itself. I've also got a photo of the football team - the only one with me on them. Regards Rog
 

ParkerBrum

proper brummie kid
Hi Tony - took a while to find them but here they are. Picture quality may be lacking at times but I wish I'd taken more at the time.

Here is a note of people in the photos - there are a few gaps, so if you know of any of these names, I'd be delighted to hear from you.

Football team: (Back) (l-r) Raymond Avery, Paul Weir, Philip Mansell, Tony Beecham, ?, Roger Parker, Michael Hankin, (Middle) A Fields, Mr Phillips (Manager), Emlyn Yeend (Captain), Unett ?, Jackson, (Front) Kenny Dovey & Peter Smith

Benson Belles: Linda Mann, Patricia Ridgway, Susan Pickering, Pamela Hadley & Denise Bowen

(1) (Left group, top to bottom) Raymond Avery, ?, ?, David ? - Mr Evans - (Middle Group, top to bottom) Alan Ball, Karl Roper, Emlyn Yeend, Michael Hankin - Mr Phillips (Right) Tony Beecham)

(2) (Back, L-R) Michael Hankin, Karl Roper, Tony Moody, Emlyn Yeend, Alan Ball, Lawrence Parkes, ?, Christopher Bilboe
(Front) Peter George & Tony Waters

(3) (Back, L-R) Raymond Avery, Michael Hankin, Tony Beecham, Alan Ball, Lawrence Parkes, Paul Weir
(Middle) Peter George, Christopher Bilboe, Philip Mansell (Front) Emlyn Yeend, Tony Waters

(4) Emlyn Yeend, Paul Weir, Philip Mansell

Hope it brings back a few memories.

Regards

Rog
 

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TAM253

Brummie babby
Hi Tony - took a while to find them but here they are. Picture quality may be lacking at times but I wish I'd taken more at the time.

Here is a note of people in the photos - there are a few gaps, so if you know of any of these names, I'd be delighted to hear from you.

Football team: (Back) (l-r) Raymond Avery, Paul Weir, Philip Mansell, Tony Beecham, ?, Roger Parker, Michael Hankin, (Middle) A Fields, Mr Phillips (Manager), Emlyn Yeend (Captain), Unett ?, Jackson, (Front) Kenny Dovey & Peter Smith

Benson Belles: Linda Mann, Patricia Ridgway, Susan Pickering, Pamela Hadley & Denise Bowen

(1) (Left group, top to bottom) Raymond Avery, ?, ?, David ? - Mr Evans - (Middle Group, top to bottom) Alan Ball, Karl Roper, Emlyn Yeend, Michael Hankin - Mr Phillips (Right) Tony Beecham)

(2) (Back, L-R) Michael Hankin, Karl Roper, Tony Moody, Emlyn Yeend, Alan Ball, Lawrence Parkes, ?, Christopher Bilboe
(Front) Peter George & Tony Waters

(3) (Back, L-R) Raymond Avery, Michael Hankin, Tony Beecham, Alan Ball, Lawrence Parkes, Paul Weir
(Middle) Peter George, Christopher Bilboe, Philip Mansell (Front) Emlyn Yeend, Tony Waters

(4) Emlyn Yeend, Paul Weir, Philip Mansell

Hope it brings back a few memories.

Regards

Rog
Hi Rog - many thanks for the photos, my god the memories they have triggered! Cant believe I was the only one wearing a cap something I adopted more as I got older and started to lose my hair. Afraid i can’t help with the unidentified ones but I am amazed how you have remembered all the names, did you record them at the time? . Particularly sad to see Peter George who I remember tragically died of leukaemia when he was only 16 or 17, used to live off one of the roads that ran from Bacchus Road I believe. I was very close to Emlyn Yeend especially when we went to the same senior school (William Murdoch, Rookery Road) but have lost touch over the years. He could fight for Britain and stood up to anyone regardless of their size or age. I remember one fight he had with an older lad at the wreck that went on for what seemed like hours with neither giving way. Strange that I was not in the football team photo but think this was probably due to my breaking my leg at home around that time although I must admit I was never that good. One noticeable absentee from the photos was the lad I mentioned before ie Stanley Wassell but he may have been away that day. Am I correct in remembering that you passed the 11 plus? - my memory again is hazy on this but I believe I got a second shot at it at Kings Edwards school but still failed, does that ring any bells? Once again Rog many thanks for taking the time to upload those photos, I really enjoyed seeing them. All the best - Tony
 

ParkerBrum

proper brummie kid
Hi Tony
Sorry for the delay. I made a note of the names a number of years later, which is why I couldn't remember all of them! There's one person I've found something else about - it was Alan Jackson standing next to Peter Dovey in the footie team.
You're right about Peter George - I suppose that was the first death I ever experienced of someone that I knew. I thought that you were decent at football - better than me, anyway. I was only useful because I was a bit bigger but that doesn't mean you can control a ball that well! I remember Emlyn challenging me to a fight for no apparent reason, as we were reasonable friends but I just said no, there wasn't anything to fight about and so it didn't happen. That's perhaps as well because he'd have battered me to death within a minute. Glad you enjoyed them - I posted them onto the Facebook page for Winson Green, too. All the best, Rog
 

TAM253

Brummie babby
Hi Tony
Sorry for the delay. I made a note of the names a number of years later, which is why I couldn't remember all of them! There's one person I've found something else about - it was Alan Jackson standing next to Peter Dovey in the footie team.
You're right about Peter George - I suppose that was the first death I ever experienced of someone that I knew. I thought that you were decent at football - better than me, anyway. I was only useful because I was a bit bigger but that doesn't mean you can control a ball that well! I remember Emlyn challenging me to a fight for no apparent reason, as we were reasonable friends but I just said no, there wasn't anything to fight about and so it didn't happen. That's perhaps as well because he'd have battered me to death within a minute. Glad you enjoyed them - I posted them onto the Facebook page for Winson Green, too. All the best, Rog
Hi Rog - yes that sounds like Emlyn bless him. Actually one of your photos triggered another memory where Peter George was on top of Emlyn. I am sure when he got up he started on Peter - amazing what you remember. I can’t remember anything at all about the teachers, even your excellent photos did not stir any memories which I think is quite strange as I would have thought there would have been something. Christmases there were very special I seem to recall and unless I dreamt it did we not play at the town hall one year. I think I played a horse to the sound of Tchaikovsky’s 1812 overture - work that one out!!. Happy days - once again great to hear from you - take care - Tony
 
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