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old football photo

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MoBo

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I have an old football photo and know nothing about it except that they are cup winners and there is a small boy with a football with ragged school 1910 -11 written on it.Has anyone any information about the team or where the photo was taken?
 
Hello MoBo welcome to the forum there are some great people on here who may be able to help is it possible for you to scan the photo and post it on this thread? Dek
 
Great old photo, looks like the Villa. Infact, I'm sure it is. Isn't that a young Alex Mcleish dressed in a suit and seated on the left?
 
hello and Welcome MoBo, very interesting photo! I tried to magnify and read the writing on the ball no success. The cup looks interesting too, have you any history or details where the photo came from.
Is there anybody that can make the inscription on the ball out and the date looks like 18-- ??
 
MoBo said:
View attachment 68697Here is the photo hope I have attached it correctly I am new to computing
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Hello & Welcome MoBo what a great photo, have you and information about it? Tried to magnify the script on the ball failed looks like 18 and something. The trophy looks familure but can't quite put my finger on it. Unusual 14 medals.

Can any body throw any light on the photo?? Its a good mystery to solve.
 
could that note on the ball read " Aston RC School 1800" & like the aston boy football team of later years they are using the villa kit ?
 
The Baron said:
could that note on the ball read " Aston RC School 1800" & like the aston boy football team of later years they are using the villa kit ?
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Hello Baron if this is a school team it,s the oldest team of school kids i,ve ever seen.:) 1800 is a little early I don,t think football as we know was in progress at that time more like 1900.I still lean towards an old Villa Team as I would not think teams were copying each others kits that early. Dek
 
yes I have managed to magnify the inscription and it reads Ragged School 1910-11 the only thing I can tell you is that it was in some old photos of a relative who was born in Birmingham in 1902. It has intrigued me so I am hoping some one out there may be able to solve the puzzle
 
The more you look at the photo the more you see in the detail
(1) Two of the players have badges on their shirts I wonder what these signify
(2) 14 medals 12 players who has the other 2, are 2 of the men in suits reserves or was there a manager and trainer if so I think these more likely.
(3) Some are wearing rosettes are these committee members

The Ragged School I,ve no idea on this one, could the relative be one of the children of a team member it would be nice to able to answer some of the questions. Dek
 
Looking at that trophy is it the Football League Trophy and that is actually the villa team1910/11? It has a distinct figure on the trophy top of the similar FA cup of the same era.
Look like pro's not schoolboy like people?
What an interesting puzzle to solve
 
I think you have cracked it Alf, Villa Reserve team at the Ragged School in Nechells for a photo call in 2010/11 season when they won the Birmingham District League Title
 
Hello Bob like you say Alf may have this the lads in the photo all look like young men and could be the reserve team Just a point of interest where did you get the Ragged School Nechells from I only found a mention of three Penn St,Whitton Hall and Harbourne.Dek
 
O.K.Bob no probs I,m leaning towards Whitton Hall as I read in Wendy,s post that the boys were relocated to here from Penn St in 1902 and Penn St closed in 1905 it would also fit with Villa Park being in the same area although I am guessing a bit on that as I have not found the position of Whitton Hall.Dek
 
we thought that it could have been the aston villa team because the relative was a life long villa supporter
 
dek carr said:
O.K.Bob no probs I,m leaning towards Whitton Hall as I read in Wendy,s post that the boys were relocated to here from Penn St in 1902 and Penn St closed in 1905 it would also fit with Villa Park being in the same area although I am guessing a bit on that as I have not found the position of Whitton Hall.Dek
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Hello Dek, I think that the ragged school in the photo was the one in Balden Road, Harborne which moved from Gem Street to there in 1902. Our relative was born and brought up in Selly Park and we think he may have been the little boy in the photo. I still can't work out how the villa team came to be visiting there but having looked at the villa history site the cup definitely looks like the league cup. best wishes mobo
 
I was just looking at the photo and wondered if it is "Happy" Harry Hampton sitting in the middle.
Born Joseph Harry Hampton in in 1885 (Shropshire) he played centre forward for Aston Villa 1904-1920. He also played for England. After serving in WW1 he played for Birmingham City.
Take a look and see what you think????
 
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Hello, having look at the photo again it could very well be the man you have named, I confess I know nothing at all about football but the cup is definitely like the one on the villa history website.
 
I think he looks like the chap in the old photo too. I have been studying a lot of old W.B.A. photos just lately...lol
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Jones,_Jr. Hi Wendy this takes you to my kin that played for the Baggies

Abraham "Abe" Jones (April 1899 – after 1923) was an English professional footballer who played in the Football League for Birmingham, Reading, Brighton & Hove Albion and Merthyr Town.[1]
Jones was born in West Bromwich, Staffordshire, the son of West Bromwich Albion and Middlesbrough player Abe Jones. A forward, he played local football for West Bromwich Sandwell before joining Birmingham in 1919.[2] He made his debut in the Second Division deputising for Harry Hampton in a home game against Fulham on 6 April 1920, scoring both goals in a 2–0 win. Though Jones retained his place for the next two games,[3] Hampton kept him out of the side thereafter, and in August 1921 he moved on to Reading. A season later he joined Brighton & Hove Albion, after another year went to Merthyr Town, and then to Stoke.[2]
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A bit more
Teddy Sandford

Edward Albert "Teddy" Sandford (22 October 1910 May 1995) was an inside forward. During his professional career he represented West Bromwich Albion and Sheffield United. Teddy Sandford was born in Handsworth, Birmingham. As a youth he played football for Tantany Athletic, Overend Wesley, Birmingham Carriage Works F.C. and Smethwick Highfield. In October 1929, while still an amateur, he joined and played for 10 years for West Bromwich Albion, the club that his uncle Abe Jones had represented between 1896 and 1901. Sandford turned professional in May 1930 and scored on his senior debut in November of the same year when Albion beat Preston North End 3-2 in a Division Two match. During his first season, he was part of the Albion side that won promotion to the First Division and that also beat Birmingham 2-1 in the 1931 FA Cup Final. In November 1932 he won his only England cap, in a 0-0 draw with Wales at Wrexham. Sandford scored in the 1935 FA Cup Final, but West Bromwich Albion lost the match 4-2 to Sheffield Wednesday. He joined Sheffield United for £1500 in 1939, before finishing his career with Morris Commercial F.C., retiring in May 1943. He died in Great Barr in May 1995.
 
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