thanks everyone I remember kettles wood where in the early 50's we got our christmas trees, and I think that lyleclose farm is most proberly the one, so many lovely memories for me from a time now long lost in this mercenary, fast world, just one thing now older I think the old barn must have dated from at least the 16th C and I notice from the maps that there is an abbey listed not far away, I wonder as this barn was some way away from the actual farm whether it was in fact an old tithe barn, ? I also remember old jack who lived in the old cottages past the black horse going towards the main road which led to the "blue bird toffee factory" he came from the black country originally and made his own ginger beer, he would have been in his 80's in the early 50's and the reciept he said came from his grandfather!.
regards all
paul.