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National Trust Back To Backs Inge Street

Di.Poppitt

GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
This was a tape recording that is in the Hurst Street back to backs, told by a man who in 1935 was thirteen years old.

His mother had no money, and went to a tribunal to be 'means tested', which was enough to put fear into the stoutest of hearts. She took all of her nine children with her, and was asked how long had she been without money, 'Six weeks'. Are you married? 'Yes'. Where's your wedding ring?
'At the pawn shop'. Have you got the ticket? She said she had, and produced it. She was told that she would get a visit the following week, as they must see how she was living. When she got home anything of any value was taken to a neighbour, but the tribunal felt she had too much in the way of household goods. They left just enough to enable the family to eat off and cook with, also taking a bed as they said the four girls could sleep together. When everything was sold the sum of £16 was raised, the family were given £13 and told they must manage with that for twelve
weeks. The boy of thirteen was told he must find work, which he did. He found a job and worked for 54 hours a week.
 
:D Di I remember even in the early 50's going with mom to see what was then known as 'The Panel' armed with heaps of paper and information about our family and having to prove that Dad was registered as Blind and that my brother and sister attended a school for children with poor vision. We also had visits from a chap about once every two weeks. He used to frighten me to death, he would bellow questions at mom and even ask me things like “Where’s your father?” “How many sisters do you have and how many brothers?” “ Where are your toy’s?” I wasn’t even 5yrs old, but was expected to answer and the answers were always the same “He’s at the blind place”. ”‘Our Ken, our laine “ “Ain’t got none”. We had nothing to hide, because we had nothing back then.
 
Pom I wanted to cry when I listened to the recording yesterday, and as late as the 50's you were in the same boat. Life deals out slings and arrows, and you don't need my tears because you all came through a really tough time.
 
the national trust back to backs are in the short list for the gulbekian prize for museum of the year. Last four will be announced in March with the winner in May.KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED FOR THEM!!
 
Lovely news ken.

I nipped to the site........to view the opposition......its a tough call.


https://www.thegulbenkianprize.org.uk/2005/shortlist.htm

But remember, its not only the restoration of the properties that may win you the prize, its the restoration of the memories, which the tour guides are excellent at recapturing.

I wish you well - if the back to backs win ken - is it drinks on you? :alcoholic:
 
Getting our backs up

Personally I'd knock 'em down and build a nicy shiny new car park...we dont have enough car parks.. 8)
 
You know Sue, thats perhaps something I hadn't really thought of. Ive not been what you might call a fan of restoration, and I was critical of the back to back project..I still have some doubts! But I have to accept what you say regarding the restoration of memories, a good point well made. I do of course wish all those who have worked hard on that project, the very best of luck!!
 
back to back and Gulbenkian prize

the organizers are asking visitors to tell them what they think about the museums that have been shortlisted Up to now this has had to be via their web site. -www.thegulbenkianprize.org.uk

We have now got an address The Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation
UK Branch
98 Portland Place
London W1B 1ET

So if you have been yourself or know any of the 22000 visitors we have had try to persuade them to send their comments by either method by May 2005
Its not a vote but it will obviously help Birmingham to alleviate some of the disappointment felt by other news this week!!
 
I have just discovered that my ancestors lived in CT 1 House 3 Inge Street in late Victorian times and by the turn of the century had moved to 52, Back Inge Street.

Does anyone know how far away this might have been from the National Trust Back to Backs which are at the junction of Inge Street and Hurst Street?

Any photos of the period appreciated.

thanks and best wishes, Dave
 
Dave
they were almost opposite, as can be seen below (court 1 in red, court 15 (Nat Trust court) in green

map c 1889 showing court 1 Inge st and court 15 ( Nat trust court).jpg
 
Mike,
I would like to know where 2/29 Inge Street was, if you could help. My father was born there in November 1914.

Bob
 
Dave
they were almost opposite, as can be seen below (court 1 in red, court 15 (Nat Trust court) in green

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Mike thats great, can I just ask you a question, I can see the red area but also what appears to be Court 1 in white next to it, separated by a wall I think.
Were both sides of the wall Court 1? Also I am guessing that they would have accessed the Court through the entries which seem to shaded with a X? Thanks for your help. Dave
 
Bob
Below is a map c 1889 showing definitely known numbers in blue. This indicates that no 29 is one of the two buildings in red, though , on the map I can see no evidence of back houses. The map for 1905 seems similar, but there seems to be a space in front of a row including 29, with buildings behind. Maybe it was one of those. Cannot find the address on the 1912 electroal rolls, but not everyone (especially not women) were included then

map c 1889 inge st showing known numbers in blue.jpg map c 1905 showing what might be back 29.jpg
 
Dave,
The unshaded court 1 you are referring to was court 1 Hurst St, whereas the court I have coloured is court 1 Inge St. I agree it is confusing. The entries shown shaded with an X were covered entries, where the building was built over the entry (sort of a tunnel)
 
thanks Mike, I can see that now. It will make my next trip to the back to backs a little more interesting!

Dave
 
Thanks Mike,
as you say it's a bit confusing that there appears to be no back houses behind 29, just re-checked birth certificate and definitely is 2/29. I can't think what else it can mean. I have just looked at Street view and the building on the corner looks like an ex Victorian pub from the style and looks similar to the 1905 map and I see there is what looks like an alley on the Essex Street side of the "pub" leading to an courtyard type area behind number 29 maybe that's where it was, funny way of numbering though.
Bob
 
Thanks to everyone for their advice, I also contacted the National Trust and had a really interesting reply from a David Humphries who works as a volunteer for the Back to Backs in Hurst/Inge Street.

He provided a very detailed reply including an important person in the Co-operative movement who lived at 1 Inge Street and a wonderful description of the view from Inge Street in the 19th Century - I will definitely be taking this with me on my next visit to the National Trust Back to Backs.
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/birmingham-back-to-backs

I have attached a copy of the information he sent, I hope you are able to read it.
David also has a website about the Outer Circle Bus Route Tours that you might find interesting.
https://outercirclebus.com

thanks again

Dave
 

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Have just been looking at a book "My River Life" by Ron jones. It is mostly about his war experiences, but there is a bit about Birmingham gefore he went into the army and after he came out. He tells of an experience with a tailor, Harry Cohen, who was near the Hippodrome (see below). On investigation he is listed at two addresses in the 1940 Kellys, 19 & 53 Inge St. and the 1943 Kellys lists just no 53. There is a little bit of confusion about numbering (Kellys lists no 54 as being on the opposite side of Hurst St), but no 53 is definitely one of the three outside buildings of court 15 (the back to backs) on Inge St as shown on the map in post 11 and below, and on Google Streetview below.

my River Life re Harry Cohen.jpg inge st corner hurst st. nox 50-54.jpg map c 1952 showing corner hurst st and inge st.jpg
 
hi mike the 3 properties on inge st are holiday lets.. harry worked from either no 1.2 or 3...from what i remember the guide saying harry was the last to leave the back to backs( think it was early 70s) and left his work room intact complete with machines.cloth etc which is what you will see if you pay a visit...nice story mike thank you for posting it...not been for a few years now so time to pay another visit if my knees can take the narrow steep stairs :D

lyn
 
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If it had been the BCM in control, they would have reinstated the workshop. In fact it would have made a good addition to the 1940s section they are planning
 
i have to say that these wonderful in situ back to backs are amazing..i have visited 4 times and of course due to health and safety reasons they cant depict the real life living conditions of yester year but on the whole they get pretty close...well worth a visit...the christmas ones are nice with carols in the courtyard..hot mince pies and mulled wine...not sure if they still do that now as i went about 4 years back...

lyn
 
When they were first opened there were such a lot of cross members on this Forum. I think they expected to see bed bugs and grime, I just imagined the first people to live in them, clean walls and a little firegrate. The realism popped up in odd places, an overcoat instead of blankets on a bed, and the brewhouse across the yard with the mangle and tin bath.
I thought I remembered a Tailors workshop, with clothes hanging and machine, I know we were told Mr Cohen was the last man out.
 
If any members live outside Birmingham and want a great place to stay during visits I would heartily recommend staying at one of the two National Trust Back Properties located at 52 & 54 Inge St just off Hurst St. I now live in Ireland and have stayed in No 52 which is set up in Victorian style and will be back at No 54 (1930's style) on a visit next year. Close to everything in city centre and great value! Please see link below.

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/bi...es/places-to-stay-at-birmingham-back-to-backs
 
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