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Mulliners

Chris B

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Hi
my Father William Henry Bryan and his brother Sydney Bryan used to work at MULLINERS CAR BODY BUILDERS at 2 sites they owned 1 by Adderly Park Station in Bordesly Green Road and the other on Bordesly Green just after Victoria / Bordesly Grn Rd on the left hand side going out of town. The attached photo is of the time that they made car bodies out of timber frame work to start with. In the photo you can just see the frame work being constructed.


Dad is in the second row second from the left and Uncle Sid is in the first row fifth from the left.
 

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I worked with a number of body draughtsmen who came from Mulliners when Standard Triumph closed the drawing office in Bordesley Green Road and moved them to Coventry. Lots were ex Moseley School of Art pupils.
 
Dad worked there for about 25 or 26 years got his gold watch and then was made redundant and paid £150 severance pay when Standard Triumph bought the place and as BernardR says moved the work to Coventry, I remember him telling me that on one occasion he was a couple of minutes late and he was cycling furiously down the drive to the gates and the hooter blew and the gate man even though he could see Dad coming closed the gate and locked it so that Dad lost half a days pay and had to wait until dinner time when the gates were re-opened to clock on.
 
Hi Chris,

Did your dad ever live in Haseley Road in the late 60s or early 70s?
I worked with a chap called Billy Bryan, and I'm wondering if it's
the same person.

Kind regards

Dave
 
Hi Dave89,
If it Is Haseley Rd the one in Handsworth? the answer is no. Dad (Bill Bryan) when he was a child and young adult he lived in Maitland Road, then when he married he lived in Marston Green, Castle Bromwich, Alum Rock, Bordesley Green, and Sheldon.
Kind Regards Chris
 
I was surprised, when looking at this thread, how little has been posted about Mulliners of Birmingham. I have copied the following information for those interested and anyone researching the Birmingham company.. They can eliminate the others in their quest. Hopefully we may get some interesting input here and maybe from newer readers who have not seen the thread.

The three Mulliners
Great coachbuilders are just as much a part of motoring history as the manufacturers of the chassis to which their craftwork was fitted, but less is known about most of them than about the motor companies.
Indeed, there is often confusion between the three Mulliners, all of whom made bodywork for the better-class chassis in the days before integral construction, when ca owners could choose the kind of coach-work they required and have it made spacially for them. The three Mulliners were HJ Mulliner & Co Ltd, Arthur Mulliner, and Mulliners Ltd.

The first named was the best known and the most prolific. In fact there were links between the companies, because in 1900 HJ Mulliner had purchased from his cousins, AG Mulliner of Liverpool and Arthur Mulliner of Northampton, the motor-car body-building firm of Mulliner (London) Ltd. To the premises in Brooke Street, off Bond Street in Mayfair, were added those in Bedford Park, Bath Road, Chiswick, with new showrooms in Grafton street. Just prior to WW1, HJ Mulliner retired, having sold his company to the long-established coach-builders of John Croall of Edinburgh - but the former name was retained, and the company was managed by HJ's brother-in-law Frank Piesse.

Right from the start HJ Mulliner had attracted much favourable comment especially after it had constructed a fine body on a 40/50 Rolls-Royce chassis for the Hon CS Rolls. The company, managed in those times by a Mr Johnstone and his son, introduced several bodywork innovations and the late David Scott-Moncrieff said that its coachwork had all the elegance and dash of James Young and Gurney Nutting bodies, coupled with quality almost up to Hooper standards. Indeed he wrote that had he been able to afford it his second choice after Hooper would have been for bodywork by HJ Mulliner.

The concern continued to prosper after the 1930's, when the demand for individual coachwork had diminished drastically. In 1959 Rolls-Royce Ltd took it over, and by 1961 had merged its two body-building companies into the one concern of HJ Mulliner, Park Ward Ltd (after the war and before the merger, HJ Mulliner had made 1127 Bentley bodies).

This company must not be confused with Arthur Mulliner Ltd, a more provincial concern based in Northampton, whose origins dated from very early times. In the 1870s it was firm of of carriers which which later built wagons and coaches. By 1900 it was one of the leading body-builders in England, but ceased activity when war broke out again in 1939, becoming a subsidiary of Henley's Ltd distributing Rootes Group cars.

The third Mulliner was Mulliners Ltd of Birmingham, a much smaller firm than the other two. Its works were adjacent to the Calthorpe factory, of which it became a subsidiary, making those striking polished-aluminium bodies on the 10hp Calthorpe chassis; the body-plate on my 1924 12/20 Calthorpe reads "Mulliner-Birmingham".

The comparative outputs of the three Mulliners in the inter-war years can be assessed to some extent by the bodies they made for Bentley chassis, as listed in Stanley Sedgwick's erudite book All The Pre-War Bentleys. For the WO 3-litre to the 4-litre chassis, H J Mulliner made 243 bodies (compared with 669 by Vanden Plas), Arthur Mulliner only 18, and Mulliners 11. If we extend this to cover the Rolls-Royce Bentleys from the 31/2-litre to the MkV (for which Park Ward made 1066 bodies), the Mulliner's totals increase to 410, 58 and 13 respectively.

At the 1910 Olympia Show, where the band of His Majesty's Coldstream Guards played and visitors could dine in the hall for 5/- (25p) in typical Edwardian splendour, HJ Mulliner showed its coachwork on Rolls-Royce, Napier, De Dion and a small Lorraine-Dietrich, chassis prices only being quoted; Mulliner of Long Acre and Northampton chose to exhibit its wares on Napier, Vauxhall, Lancia and a 14/20 Sheffield Simplex — the 30hp Vauxhall with patent fully-collapsible head costing £900, and the bodies on the 30hp Napier and the Lancia being of very light construction.

In 1919, when the motor industry was optimistically trying to recover from the war and meet the expected boom in car sales (although it was a year or two before this materialised), HJ Mulliner exhibited at the London Motor Show two Crossleys (one with a limousine body made for the High Commissioner of Canada, the other a landaulette, also with seven seats), as well as a 36hp Straker-Squire with a four-seater interior cabriolet body upholstered in Bedford cord, openable vee-windscreen and sliding front seats, (the latter now commonplace, but worthy of comment then). It also hedged its bets with some models of its smaller bodies.

Not to be outdone, Arthur Mulliner showed a sporting saloon-coupe on a Buick chassis, with vee screen and dashboard, sliding seats which had spring-loaded adjustable back-rests to give access to the back compartment, yellow finish and a black top. It also had a three-quarter cabriolet (chassis unnamed) with completely folding-away occasional seats and a new type hood with concealed extending mechanism. Mulliners did not take a stand. I am not conversant with the motor trade, so do not know whether car makers offered their chassis free to these coach-builders for show publicity, or whether they had to be purchased — perhaps three was some financial arrangement should a purchaser be found?

By 1924 there was still a healthy demand for specialist bodies. At Olympia, HJ Mulliner had a two-seater three-quarter cabriolet on a long-chassis 3-litre Bentley (in a "ciel" colour, with upholstery in antique brown leather), a dark blue 18/30 Panhard Pullman limousine (with a garish red panel of inlaid walnut, hardwood and ebony), and an 18hp Voisin with special "automatic back scuttle torpedo" body (in Mulliner blue with grey leather upholstery).

Arthur Mulliner chose to show saloon-limousines on Rolls-Royce, 30hp Armstrong Siddeley and Vauxhall chassis. The Rolls was in dark red with an aluminium bonnettop, plated fittings and calf-skin upholstery. The other cars were dark blue and primrose and black respectively.

One might have thought the demand for coachbuilt bodywork would be diminishing by 1930, but all three Mulliners had stands at that year's Olympia Show. Having been one of the first to introduce the type, HJ showed a semi-panelled Weymann body on a 40/50 Rolls-Royce chassis — this one done in special grey with black relief, and with a Pytchley sun-roof. Arthur Mulliner had a 40/50 Rolls-Royce enclosed limousine, a four-door saloon on a 20/30 Daimler chassis, and a sports-saloon on a 21hp Lanchester. The Midlands' Mulliner also exhibited much-improved semi-panelled Weymann saloons on 16hp, 12hp and 7hp Austin chassis.

It all smacks very much of a time when all cars were truly individualistic. WB
 
Hi
my Father William Henry Bryan and his brother Sydney Bryan used to work at MULLINERS CAR BODY BUILDERS at 2 sites they owned 1 by Adderly Park Station in Bordesly Green Road and the other on Bordesly Green just after Victoria / Bordesly Grn Rd on the left hand side going out of town. The attached photo is of the time that they made car bodies out of timber frame work to start with. In the photo you can just see the frame work being constructed.


Dad is in the second row second from the left and Uncle Sid is in the first row fifth from the left.
 
Presumably Paul, that bus body was built by Mulliners. It s a fine vehicle and the signage must have taken a while as I guess it appeared on both sides of the bus. Interestingly it has a Birmingham vehicle registration OM 9937. For anyone curious about the owners of the bus I mention that The Church Army is an evangelical section of the Anglican (C of E) church.
 
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Dad worked at Mulliners , Humpage road Bordesley green until he was made redundant , i remember he had a photograph of a coach that had been built there for Castle coaches (around the 60s ?) i may still have it among his old possessions , also remember he spoke of the Triumph Herald before it came out , but there was another name for it then.
I still have many of his old tools & tool boxes but best of all i remember some of his stories .
 
Hi
my Father William Henry Bryan and his brother Sydney Bryan used to work at MULLINERS CAR BODY BUILDERS at 2 sites they owned 1 by Adderly Park Station in Bordesly Green Road and the other on Bordesly Green just after Victoria / Bordesly Grn Rd on the left hand side going out of town. The attached photo is of the time that they made car bodies out of timber frame work to start with. In the photo you can just see the frame work being constructed.


Dad is in the second row second from the left and Uncle Sid is in the first row fifth from the left.
Hi Chris, what a great photo, have you any idea what year it was taken ?
 
Hi all,
This has been such an interesting thread to read through!
I am currently doing a research project into Mulliners - both the one run by HH Mulliner in Birmingham as well as HJ Mulliner in London. If anyone has any further information, stories, images, or any other ties that may be able to help, I would love to hear.

Thank you in advance,
Micah
 
Hi all,
This has been such an interesting thread to read through!
I am currently doing a research project into Mulliners - both the one run by HH Mulliner in Birmingham as well as HJ Mulliner in London. If anyone has any further information, stories, images, or any other ties that may be able to help, I would love to hear.

Thank you in advance,
Micah
Hi Micah,
I currently own a 1931 Armstrong Siddeley 15hp which was bodied by Mulliners in Birmingham. I believe it is the last surviving Mulliners of Birmingham Armstrong Siddeley left. I would also like to learn about Mulliners of Birmingham for the vehicles history file if possible
 
Hi all,Just found this thread.When I think back to when I left school in 1954 what a wonderful selection of places we had to seek employment. Mulliners,Morris Commercial,Austin The Met,Fisher & Ludlow.Rayliegh bikes, Parkinson's cookers ,Johnny Wrights cookers But sadly now most done by Robots.Sad for the youngsters of today.
 
Hi all,Just found this thread.When I think back to when I left school in 1954 what a wonderful selection of places we had to seek employment. Mulliners,Morris Commercial,Austin The Met,Fisher & Ludlow.Rayliegh bikes, Parkinson's cookers ,Johnny Wrights cookers But sadly now most done by Robots.Sad for the youngsters of today.

They don't of course leave school at 14 or 15 and work for long hours and low wages as we did though, they go on to 'uni' then take a 'gap year' before looking for a job and as they're 'graduates' they don't expect to take any job offered, heaven help anyone who asks them to get their hands dirty. :)
 
My Dad worked at Humpage road until he was made redundant,i remember he came home with this photo of a coach that he said Mulliners had built for Castle coaches ( early 60s ?),that is all i remember as i only re discovered the picture recently.Castle coaches - Copy.jpgCastle coaches - Copy.jpgCastle coaches - Copy.jpg
 
Hi
my Father William Henry Bryan and his brother Sydney Bryan used to work at MULLINERS CAR BODY BUILDERS at 2 sites they owned 1 by Adderly Park Station in Bordesly Green Road and the other on Bordesly Green just after Victoria / Bordesly Grn Rd on the left hand side going out of town. The attached photo is of the time that they made car bodies out of timber frame work to start with. In the photo you can just see the frame work being constructed.


Dad is in the second row second from the left and Uncle Sid is in the first row fifth from the left.
I know your post is from a few years back but, i was wondering if you have anymore photo's of the Mulliners buildings.
I am the centre Manager of the company that now owns the building that was Mulliners in Bordesley Green road.
I have just registered on this site as I am trying to find out about the building & other companies that were on the site like Triumph. I thought it would be nice to get some photo's & put them up round the site & in my reception area.
 
I know your post is from a few years back but, i was wondering if you have anymore photo's of the Mulliners buildings.
I am the centre Manager of the company that now owns the building that was Mulliners in Bordesley Green road.
I have just registered on this site as I am trying to find out about the building & other companies that were on the site like Triumph. I thought it would be nice to get some photo's & put them up round the site & in my reception area.
sorry Kevin I don't have any other pics or information as Dad and Sid both died a number of years ago, try the Birmingham reference library more out of hope than anger lol.
 
I know your post is from a few years back but, i was wondering if you have anymore photo's of the Mulliners buildings.
I am the centre Manager of the company that now owns the building that was Mulliners in Bordesley Green road.
I have just registered on this site as I am trying to find out about the building & other companies that were on the site like Triumph. I thought it would be nice to get some photo's & put them up round the site & in my reception area.
I’ve just found this link. I’m talking to my mum Betty Hunter (nee Betty Enston).
She and my father Bill Hunter worked there in 1940 to 1950’s. She remembers they built cars for the queen and lord and lady Docker. She’s now 94.
Any details would be appreciated.
 
I’ve just found this link. I’m talking to my mum Betty Hunter (nee Betty Enston).
She and my father Bill Hunter worked there in 1940 to 1950’s. She remembers they built cars for the queen and lord and lady Docker. She’s now 94.
Any details would be appreciated.
She also worked in wages . We think 1944 onwards. My dad was electrician and then moved on to the Rover @ Solihull
 
The bodywork of my 1954 Triumph Renown was built by Mulliners. Some of the panels - doors and boot lid - were aluminium (or similar alloy). I think the wings and bonnet were steel.

Triumph Renown.jpg
 
Unfortunately not Lyn. I sold it in 1963 (for £100) as I was saving up to get married!
ahh never mind john..i guessed you did not have it...lovely old car though..i wonder if its still around..also love the old caravan in your photo..takes me back to when i was aged 12 to 14 and used to stay with my auntie and uncle at their van on fradley junction...happy days

lyn
 
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