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Maud Beatrice Russell and Rowland Hill Carpenter

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Hi, I have just joined and am looking forward to hopefully making contact with my relatives and starting a family tree! My maternal grandmother was Maud, she was born (May?)1886 or 1887, she died 30.3.1953 and is buried in Kidderminster cemetary.Her father was Scottish,her mother Irish.(One of her siblings had a daughter, Vera, around 1919. Vera married a Mr Hurst,from USA. Vera lived in Golden,Colorado, until her death in 2005. She had 2 children, Michelle and Kevin who would still be there.) I think Maud's dad was James Russell,her mum was Isabella/Esabella. Maud was born in Warwick,she lived at 40 Webster St.,Aston Manor with her parents and siblings, Flo,Arthur, Lilian, and Ivy in 1901.At the time, she worked as a warehouse gale. She married Rowland (in 1918?) Rowland was born in July, we think in Warwick in 1880,he was living at 61 Oakfield Road Balsall Heath in 1901. He worked for Rolls Royce (turner on motors)They had one daughter,my mum Joan Mary, born 31.5.1919. They lived at Acocks Green at some point.Joan married G tomegno, my dad, in Italy.After Maud's death,Rowland moved to Italy to live with us. He died in Milan,29.1.61, and was buried there. Later on, I think 1976, his body was brought to England, and now he is buried in the same plot as Maud.Some of this info may not be 100pc correct.Any information at all, relating to them their ancestors, family living now etc, would be very gratefully received,many thanks!
 
This is Maud in 1891, it says both parents born Walsall:

1891 England Census
about James Russell


Name:James RussellAge:45 Estimated birth year:abt 1846 Relation:Head Spouse's name:IsabellaGender:Male Where born:Walsall, Staffordshire, EnglandCivil parish:Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish:St Nicholas Town:Birmingham County/Island:Warwickshire Country:England Street address:

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Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district:Birmingham Sub-registration district:St George ED, institution, or vessel:56 Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAgeAnnie E Russell16 Arthur H Russell5 Florence M Russell10 Isabella Russell38 James Russell45 Joseph H Russell19 Lilian G Russell3 Maud B Russell4 William J Russell21
 
1901:

1901 England Census
about Maud B Russell


Name:Maud B RussellAge:11 Estimated birth year:abt 1890Relation:Daughter Father's name:JasMother's name:IsabellaGender:Female Where born:B'ham, Warwickshire, EnglandCivil parish:Aston Manor Ecclesiastical parish:Aston Brook St Mary County/Island:Warwickshire Country:England Street address:

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Registration district:Aston Sub-registration district:Aston Manor ED, institution, or vessel:68 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:109Household Members:NameAgeArthur H Russell16 Flo M Russell29 Isabella Russell47 Ivy May Russell6 Jas Russell55 Lilian G Russell13 Maud B Russell11 View
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Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2890; Folio: 86; Page: 18.
 
1871, they are living in Walsall.:

1871 England Census
about Jas Russell


Name:Jas RussellAge:25 Estimated birth year:abt 1846 Relation:Head Spouse's name:IsabellaGender:Male Where born:Walsall, Staffordshire, EnglandCivil parish:Walsall Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter Town:Walsall County/Island:Staffordshire Country:England Street address:

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Registration district:WalsallSub-registration district:WalsallED, institution, or vessel:16Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:175Household Members:NameAgeIsabella Russell19 Jas Russell25 Wm Jas Russell1 View
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Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2962; Folio: 92; Page: 30; GSU roll: 836428.

living in blue Lane, James is a chain maker.
 
James marriage:

View RecordNameYear of RegistrationQuarter of RegistrationSpouse's SurnameDistrictCountyView ImageView RecordIsabella Allen1869Oct-Nov-Dec Walsall Staffordshire View RecordWilliam Holt1869Oct-Nov-Dec Walsall Staffordshire View RecordMary Ann Roper1869Oct-Nov-Dec Walsall Staffordshire View RecordJames Russell1869Oct-Nov-Dec Walsall Staffordshire //
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about James Russell


Name:James RussellYear of Registration:1869 Quarter of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec District:Walsall County:Staffordshire Volume:6b Page:1004 (click to see others on page)
 
This may be James on 61, his marriage cert, would give you his fathers name:

1861 England Census
about James Russell


Name:James RussellAge:13 Estimated birth year:abt 1848Relation:Son Father's name:JosephMother's name:ElizabethGender:Male Where born:Walsall, Staffordshire, EnglandCivil parish:Walsall Foreign Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter Town:Walsall County/Island:Staffordshire Country:England Street address:

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Registration district:Walsall Sub-registration district:Walsall ED, institution, or vessel:29 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:77Household Members:NameAgeCatharine Russell18 Elizabeth Russell59 Ellen Russell12 James Russell13 Joseph Russell62 Ann Whitehouse73 Herbert Whitehouse13 View
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Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2015; Folio: 135; Page: 13; GSU roll: 542903.
 
1851:

1851 England Census
about James Russell


Name:James RussellAge:7 Estimated birth year:abt 1844Relation:Son Father's name:JosephMother's name:ElizabethGender:Male Where born:Walsall, Staffordshire, EnglandCivil parish:Walsall Foreign Town:Walsall County/Island:Staffordshire Country:England Street address:

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Registration district:Walsall Sub-registration district:Walsall ED, institution, or vessel:1i Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:193Household Members:NameAgeJohn Birks10 Catherine Russell10 Elizabeth Russell47 Ellen Russell2 James Russell7 Jane Russell16 Joseph Russell53 Joseph Russell27 William Russell14 View
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Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2023; Folio: 345; Page: 45; GSU

It says father born Walsall as well.
 
this James birth:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about James Russell


Name:James RussellYear of Registration:1845 Quarter of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep District:Walsall County:Staffordshire Volume:17 Page:248 (click to see others on page)
The last 2 census, while i think they are right, i would get the birth cert at least to make sure, but theres no mention of Scotland or Irland.
 
Ok, Rowland, his dad is a gasfitting? cant read that,alicia is general servant:

1881 England Census
about Rowland H. Carpenter


Name:Rowland H. CarpenterRelation:Son Father's name:ThomasMother's name:Betsy C.Gender:Male Where born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, EnglandCivil parish:Solihull County/Island:Warwickshire Country:England Street address:The Laurels Warwick RoadEducation:

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Registration district:Solihull Sub-registration district:Solihull ED, institution, or vessel:7 Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAgeAlfred Carpenter12 Betsy C. Carpenter36 Ellen E. Carpenter5 Ernest F. Carpenter7 Marrion E. Carpenter3 Rowland H. Carpenter Thomas Carpenter34 Thomas R. Carpenter14 Walter E. Carpenter9 Alicia Morris16 View
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Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3083; Folio: 14; Page: 19; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341735.
 
1891:

1891 England Census
about Roland H Carpenter


Name:Roland H CarpenterAge:10 Estimated birth year:abt 1881 Relation:Son Father's name:ThomasMother's name:Betsey CGender:Male Where born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, EnglandCivil parish:Yardley Ecclesiastical parish:Acocks Green Town:Acocks Green County/Island:Worcestershire Country:England Street address:

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Registration district:Solihull Sub-registration district:Solihull ED, institution, or vessel:12 Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAgeAlfred Carpenter22 Betsey C Carpenter46 Betsy C Carpenter9 Ellen E Carpenter15 Ernest F Carpenter17 Marion E Carpenter13 Roland H Carpenter10 Thomas Carpenter44 Thomas R Carpenter3 Agnes Smith18 View
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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2462; Folio 94; Page 2; GSU roll: 6097572.

father born Bham is a gas fitting manufacturer, mother born feckenham,worcs.
 
1901, Betsey is living on own means,Edgar Morris is a son-in-law married to ellen.

1901 England Census
about Roland H Carpenter

Name:Roland H CarpenterAge:20 Estimated birth year:abt 1881Relation:Son Mother's name:Betsy CGender:Male Where born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, EnglandCivil parish:Balsall Heath Ecclesiastical parish:St Thomas in the Moors Town:Balsall Heath County/Island:Worcestershire Country:England Street address:

Registration district:Kings Norton Sub-registration district:Kings Norton ED, institution, or vessel:82 Neighbors: Household schedule number:107Household Members:NameAgeBetsy C Carpenter56 Betsy C Carpenter19 Ernest F Carpenter27 Marion E Carpenter23 Roland H Carpenter20 Edgar C Morris27 Ellen E Morris25 Edith E Parsons30


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2813; Folio: 143; Page: 19
 
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rowlands birth:

This record has been added to your shoebox.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Rowland Hill Carpenter

Name:Rowland Hill CarpenterYear of Registration:1880 Quarter of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep District:Kings Norton (To 1912) County:Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire Volume:6c Page:446 (click to see others on page)

i hope this enough to get you started, to find out more after 1911, you need to trawl throught the freeBMDS on ancestry, marriges, births deaths.
 
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Thanks very much to you all for your replies, it gives us a lot more to go on!Am looking forward to finding out lots more with all this info!:)
 
James (Js) and Isabella the parents of Maud B Russell are both shown on the 1901 census as being born in Walsall, Staffs, not Scotland and Ireland.

This is a strong possibility for the marriage of James and Isabella

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barrie
 
What were our ancestors like? Have just had a look at the 1891 census, on there both James and Isabella state they were born in Birmingham!!! :Aah: Will have a look to see if there are births in Brum for a James Russell and an Isabella Allen around the years they have given.

barrie
 
Maud Russell and Rowland Carpenter

Thanks for all the replies, but have now found out that Isabella's maiden name was probably Ditchfield(or Dytchfield) and not Allen,so will try to find out a bit about that!:)
 
Hi, I have managed to get in touch with two sisters, who are Maud's great nieces, and we are meeting up next week! Looking forward to this! Any new info I get, I shall post here :):)
 
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