manor house nechells

[Astoness]

hi mike..in my family tree i have a thomas chapman b 1821 but all the address says on the census is manor house nechells..wonder if i could have a map marking it out if you can locate it for me please..his occupation says thomas ran a stage coach service from aston to brum..

thank you mike

lyn

 

[smtr]

Hi Lyn

I wonder does the following "fit" your Thomas Chapman or possibly a son of his? From the Bham Daily Post 3rd March 1891

Suzanne

 

[Phil]

Lyn

This is the Manor House shortly before they decided to demolish it, the location was on Chattaway Street quite close to Cook Street. I'm sure Mike will be able to pinpoint it foe you.

Phil

 

[Astoness]

Hi Lyn

I wonder does the following "fit" your Thomas Chapman or possibly a son of his?

Suzanne

crikey suzanne..yes thats my thomas chapman....his daughter sarah married my gt gt gt grandfathers son william harrington in 1838

my eyes are not that good even with glasses but the add more or less says..


the executors of the will of the late mr thomas chapman are instructed to sell by auction on tues march 17th 1891 the very valuable property comprising of the manor house and 3 houses..ajoining land in the rear thereof 3200 square yards...

oh phil that you so much for that pic..i bet it was once a splendid building ...thank you both so much i just cant take in all the info on this part of my family that ive received over the past 3 days..

lyn

 

[smtr]

Oh Good Lyn Very nice house and here is something relating to the previous owner from Daily Post 22 Aug 1866 Must have been very grand. Wouldn't mind having those pieces he was selling

 

[Astoness]

suzanne i think this pic looks like it could have been taken in the manor house then...this is clara harrington..her mother was sarah chapman daughter of thomas chapman..



lyn

 

[smtr]

Ooh great Lyn. She certainly looks as if she's sitting somewhere grand. It's all coming together now

Suzanne

 

[Astoness]

well i cant take it all in suzanne..im writing all this down as fast as i can...will go and read your previous post..

 

[smtr]

The 1881 census records the address as 56, Manor House, Chattaway Street, Aston - Thomas is a bus proprietor.

Suzanne

 

[Astoness]

The 1881 census records the address as 56, Manor House, Chattaway Street, Aston - Thomas is a bus proprietor.

Suzanne

thank for that suzanne..yes i also got him as running stage coach from aston to brum..

 

[Astoness]

suzanne i was just wondering if you could find any ref to how much the manor house sold for in 1891 please..

cheers

lyn

 

[mikejee]

Lyn
It was close to the junction with cook St. Hope this c1889 map is OK

 

[lynne webb]

Lyn on the 1881 Census William Harrington is at 54 Chattaway Street.
Lynne.

 

[Astoness]

thanks lynne...

oh mike i am asking a lot of you today but could you go back to the map please and mark out 54 chattaway st...
silly me it was next door to the manor house which was no 56...so william was the boy next door then..
thanks mike..

 

[smtr]

suzanne i was just wondering if you could find any ref to how much the manor house sold for in 1891 please..

cheers

lyn

Hi Lyn
I saw that in the 1891 census there isn't anyone listed at 56 Chattaway STREET. Haven't found a sale price for the Manor House but there is a property mentioned in the Bham Post dated 11 June 1891 as "Lot 5 Chattaway Street, nechells, numbers 15 to 21" Wonder if there in any way related to the other residences Thomas owned as was mentioned in the previous article concerning his will?

Suzanne

 

[Astoness]

thats a good point suzanne because the sale notice says the manor house and 3 houses..as lynne pointed out william harrington was next door at no 54 on the 1881 census...i guess its possable that thomas chapman owned this house and maybe william worked for him..fell in love with the girl next door and married...im getting all mushy now and its starting to sound like a catherine cookson novel... lol...would be interesting to find out williams occupation in 1881..may give us a clue..

lyn

 

[Big Gee]

Anyone know when it was demolished? I'm interested because I worked at Foseco Ltd on the corner of Long Acre and Holborne Hill, just across from Chattaway Street, and there was a lot of demolition going on around the late 1970's (including our favourite caff on Long Acre, near the corner with Chattaway Street).

Congrats upon your elevation to the aristocracy, Lyn!

G

 

[smtr]

Here you go Lyn, mention of the sale of the property 9th March 1891 except they've called it Pittaway Street You're in good company Lyn as the Manor House was errected by a member of the Aston/Holte Family

Suzanne

 

[Astoness]

Anyone know when it was demolished? I'm interested because I worked at Foseco Ltd on the corner of Long Acre and Holborne Hill, just across from Chattaway Street, and there was a lot of demolition going on around the late 1970's (including our favourite caff on Long Acre, near the corner with Chattaway Street).

Congrats upon your elevation to the aristocracy, Lyn!

G

oh god big gee i will never live it down lol....

suzanne even when i save this article and zoom in i cant make out what it says...would it be better just to post the little bit of the article...

this is really fantastic..

 

[smtr]

Lyn give me a minute (just got out of bath ) and I will have a go.

Suzanne

 

[Astoness]

thanks suzanne...no rush...

 

[smtr]

Are these any better Lyn?

 

[Astoness]

thats much better suzanne thank you...i see its listed as a mansion in the last add..think i had better come down to earth now and remember that i was born in a back to back in paddington st lol...i will have to spend time this weekend writing all this up neatly as at the min i am surrounded by bits of paper with scribble on...

 

[smtr]

thats a good point suzanne because the sale notice says the manor house and 3 houses..as lynne pointed out william harrington was next door at no 54 on the 1881 census...i guess its possable that thomas chapman owned this house and maybe william worked for him..fell in love with the girl next door and married...im getting all mushy now and its starting to sound like a catherine cookson novel... lol...would be interesting to find out williams occupation in 1881..may give us a clue..

lyn

Lyn, William's occupation was Glass Blower.

 

[lynne webb]

William Harrington was a Glass Blower. Lyn.

 

[smtr]

And finally Lyn, not sure if these articles are your Thomas but worth a read and you can decide, they mention Thomas Chapman senior and junior.


Suzanne

 

[Astoness]

thanks lynne..ive just been looking through my census years and can now see william was a glassblower...looks like the harringtons started living in nechells from at least 1841 in heneage st and slowly moved their way accross to newtown/aston/hockley...dad is a direct decendant of williams brother henry harrington and how strange that the nursing home dad is in is only 2 mins away from where the manor house stood..next time i visit him i shall take a walk down this street..cant thank you all enough for your help...

lyn

 

[lynne webb]

Lyn theres a Will on Ancestry, it says Thomas died at Manor House Chattaway Street on 5th of Feb 1891, it says his Persoal Effects £29.5s. The Administrator was Henry Chapman, of the White Swan, Wheeler St.

 

[Astoness]

oh thats great lynne...guess henry could have been his son or brother...not another pub in the family..dont think i have pic of the white swan although it rings a bell of being towards the bottoms of wheeler st...will try and check that out tomorrow..ive gone brain dead now...

thank lynne..

 

[mikejee]

Suzanne
If you enlarge the article it seems to say 15 to 27 Chattaway st (spelled it right this time). This would have been on the other side of the road on the other side of cook St.
Lyn
To make it clear no 54 is on the right hand side of the manor house on the map