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Edward Poyser (born 1920)

Astoness said:
this is why i asked the question MWS...also i take it that dilys and edward divorced ??as on the 39 davies is crossed out replaced by poyser then thats crossed out and replaced by davies...
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My first thought that she re-married a Davies, especially with the date, but I suppose all name changes had to be listed whatever the reason for it. So probably divorce, couldn't see a marriage.

I wonder if the marriage was one of those wartime marriages hurried into and then when the war was over they realised it was a mistake? Think that's how it was for my nan and grandad.

Also notice on the 1939 register she's listed as incapacitated.
 
im a tad confused by the info on the 39...the date of 2/3/45 i thought was the date of marriage to edward yet the marr cert gives the date of 11/12/44...then there is the other date alongside her name which looks like 21/11/67 or 69...was this indeed a remarriage to a davies... will have to check back but i think edwards 2nd marr was in 1965 think i will have a cuppa:rolleyes:

lyn
 
MWS said:
Are you sure that's correct? On the 1939 register her dob is 20 Aug 1917 and there's a death registered Jun 2002 Denbigh for a Dilys Mary Davies with that dob.
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Thank you kindly. Not sure where I got the other date/place from on my FTM but having seen the headstone, you're right it has to be the same DM Davies so I've amended it accordingly.
 
Astoness said:
this is why i asked the question MWS...also i take it that dilys and edward divorced ??as on the 39 davies is crossed out replaced by poyser then thats crossed out and replaced by davies...
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I'd noticed that too. I was also puzzled by the notation 2/3/45 M ZNA? I didn't know they had divorced but the dates would certainly tend to suggest that. Certainly neither of them had died when Edward married again in 1965. I'll ask my friend when I speak to him on Friday.
 
Astoness said:
im a tad confused by the info on the 39...the date of 2/3/45 i thought was the date of marriage to edward yet the marr cert gives the date of 11/12/44...then there is the other date alongside her name which looks like 21/11/67 or 69...was this indeed a remarriage to a davies... will have to check back but i think edwards 2nd marr was in 1965 think i will have a cuppa:rolleyes:

lyn
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Yes Lyn. Edward's second marriage was 20th June 1965 in Blackpool to Frances May Whipp. I also have his first marriage as 11/12/44 to Dilys May, as per the marriage certificate.
 
It would be interesting to see how he described himself on his second marriage certificate. Single ? Widowed or divorced? Pity divorce record aren't online - at least I don’t think so.
 
I agree, Janice, very interesting. I will try to find out when I next speak to my friend and I also agree about divorce records ... I don't think so either. Keep watching this space as they say. :)
 
pjmburns said:
It would be interesting to see how he described himself on his second marriage certificate. Single ? Widowed or divorced? Pity divorce record aren't online - at least I don’t think so.
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Hi Janice

Well I told you to keep watching this space and as I know you and possibly others may be interested, I have now received Edward's second marriage certificate and have just finished scanning it in and as you can see, it's listed as "previous marriage dissolved", which presumably is another way of saying divorced. Anyway I'll attach it and send. :)
 

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Mancunian_Nick said:
Hi Janice

Well I told you to keep watching this space and as I know you and possibly others may be interested, I have now received Edward's second marriage certificate and have just finished scanning it in and as you can see, it's listed as "previous marriage dissolved", which presumably is another way of saying divorced. Anyway I'll attach it and send. :)
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The difference between divorce and dissolution of marriage may be of some interest, as dissolution seems to be an amicable agreement by both parties on issues such as property and custody.
 
Hi Nick - interesting. It would seem it was "divorce" by agreement when the couples had parted amicably. Not come across it before. I assume he must have had to provide proof. Wonder how you find out?
Thanks for the update.
 
My first marriage ended in divorce and the second certificate said "Previous marriage dissolved". It doesn't mean the marriage ended amicably!!
In my experience you have to provide the Decree Absolute before another marriage can take place.
(Second time around has been very much better!!)
rosie.
 
rosie said:
My first marriage ended in divorce and the second certificate said "Previous marriage dissolved". It doesn't mean the marriage ended amicably!!
In my experience you have to provide the Decree Absolute before another marriage can take place.
(Second time around has been very much better!!)
rosie.
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I think the “amicable” description comes from the understanding that both parties agree to settle the differences without the court deciding if parties cannot agree upon the child support, financial settlements or division of debt.

“A dissolution of marriage is a no-fault legal proceeding. Both partners agree that the marriage should end, and they agree upon how to divide the property and the debts. They also agree on custodial and child-support issues. A Decree of Dissolution must be filed with the court and both parties must appear before the judge on a designated court date.”

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rosie said:
My first marriage ended in divorce and the second certificate said "Previous marriage dissolved". It doesn't mean the marriage ended amicably!!
In my experience you have to provide the Decree Absolute before another marriage can take place.
(Second time around has been very much better!!)
rosie.
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once is enough ta:mad:
 
I didn't have a Decree of Dissolution, or have to appear in court for the divorce itself.
rosie.
 
pjmburns said:
Hi Nick - interesting. It would seem it was "divorce" by agreement when the couples had parted amicably. Not come across it before. I assume he must have had to provide proof. Wonder how you find out?
Thanks for the update.
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Yes very interesting. I've not come across it before either. Obviously I've heard of annulled in some cases where the marriage wasn't consumated but not disolved. How you'd find out the ins and outs, I've no idea either but as the saying goes, the plot thickens! lol
 
rosie said:
My first marriage ended in divorce and the second certificate said "Previous marriage dissolved". It doesn't mean the marriage ended amicably!!
In my experience you have to provide the Decree Absolute before another marriage can take place.
(Second time around has been very much better!!)
rosie.
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So pleased to hear that 2nd time round is good for you, Rosie. My mother's second one was awful and believe it or not, she ended having to pay the man to leave the house as he refused to leave or give her a divorce yet he came to the marriage with very little financially. I guess that's why rich people these days use those pre-nuptual agreement things. :)
 
Pedrocut, I don't want to re-quote all of that fascinating/interesting stuff you kindly posted above just to say thank you so hope my appreciation and this thank you here will satisfy. :)
 
mikejee said:
The 1945 rolls are online, and show Richard & Mary at 93 albert road in that year. A search showed no Edward Poyser in 1945. It has not been mentioned, and you may already be aware that the 1947 online rolls show an Edward Poyser with others at 9 Sandford Road in what is presumably a house converted into flats (see below:)
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Hi Mike (and other lovely people who have helped too!), I've not been on for a while ... been having some almighty problems with my PC after a failed attempt to upgrade to Win10 from Win7 but all's well again now so could I ask if you have the full page for that please as I'd like to see if there may be other family members living nearby if possible. I'd be very grateful. If not no worries.
 
Hello again all. Having today received a long letter from my friend, it's time to write again in the hope people can, once again, shed some light on things. My friend also asks me to thank you all for the invaluable information that I very much doubt I'd have found on my own but that aside, I'll start by saying Edward's army records *have* been applied for but I suspect the search may take a while and maybe this will also help explain that somewhat. I think it's probably best/easiest to simply quote his letter and if anyone can help/assist with any part or parts of it, that would be amazing!

The 1939 e-roll shows Richard Alfred Poyser and his 2nd wife, Mary Jane (nee Haddon/Marshall) living at 91 Albert Road, Aston. No other Poysers or Haddons of voting age are listed ... so where are they?! (Good question) The 1939 census lists them there with Ellen Poyser (Hickman) and Grace E Haddon (Wallis) plus 7 closed entries - all of which we know must be people who are now dead so the records should be open. (I totally agree and without knowing which names are blanked out, how are you supposed to provide death details and who to even if they did?)

The 1945 e-roll shows that Richard and Mary have moved next door to 93. The 1950 e-roll shows them still there with five Haddon relatives living with them:-

Eric W Haddon - Mary's son born 20/8/1923
Ruth Haddon - Eric's wife married 1947 nee Osbon
Ronald G Haddon - Mary's son born 21/2/1928
Frederick E Haddon - Mary's son born 15/9/1924
William E Haddon - Mary's son born 6/7/1920

So (he says), where are the Poyser and other Haddon offspring? Most would have been of voting age by then.

Interesting co-incidence, in 1939 at number 93 we have Samuel and Mary Ann Marshall, which was Mary Jane Poyser/Haddon's maiden name. So were they her relatives?

Finally I'm not 100% whether or not this is the right or best forum to ask in but you may all find it of interest so please bear with me ... referring to the later and larger newspaper article that was kindly posted earlier in this thread, he says -

The article [also] makes clear that he (Edward) wasn't actually located with the rest of his regiment for a large part of the war ... however the 'specialist unit' referred to in the article, along with the reference in the history to Lt General Bill Slim, immediately tells me (that's my friend of course) that my father was likely a member of the legendary Chindits (mostly Gurkha soldiers) and their predecessor origin units. It was always obvious he (Edward) knew a lot about Bill Slim and the Chindits ... it would also explain why he may have been in certain places he mentioned and battles that his parent regiment did not take part in. Also of interest from the first letter to the newspaper is that he's listed as Ordnance Branch, South-east Asia Command rather than giving his regiment. This could be another clue to his not being with the rest of the regiment at that time, which ties in with the reference to "specialist unit".

As the saying goes, the plot thickens. :)

Finally, I promise, at least for now, he asks if the lady with the Newspaper Archive access (forgive me for not scrolling back to check who it was), or anyone can find out anything on an Australian expedition that Uncle Arthur (reminds me of Pike in Dad's Army! lol) remembered seeing Edward was part of in 1952/3.

Also he says that if anyone else is researching Poyser, I'd be happy to help with other information or even access to my tree on Ancestry. Just let me know please.

Thank you everyone. Any help or guidance or information would be *extremely* and gratefully received. Comments also much appreciated so on that note, I'll leave it there. Cheers again, Nick
 
Hello again. Just thought people would be interested in a reply I received from the GRO on 21st January with regard to my trying to decypher Edward's profession on his marriage certificate to Dilys and this is what they told me -

'Private Royal Warwickshire Regiment (architect and designer)’.

So now we know. Whether this was prior to his signing up or during, it doesn't say. :)
 
It doesn't look like that Mary Poyser/Haddon/Marshall is related to Samuel Marshall or at least not closely.

Even though the 1911 census lists her birthplace as Bham I think she was born in Feckenham, the daughter of Edwin Marshall and Mary Jane Lacey.
 
Thank you for that insight, MWS. Appreciate it and I will pass on that information to my friend in due course along with anything else that may be forthcoming twixt now and then. :)
 
Wow it's gone so quiet in here of late. I've searched the newspaper archives and Google high and low for this expedition but can't find anything.

However I'd still be interested if at all possible, of seeing the full page of that e-roll for 1947 showing Edward Poyser living at 9 Sandford Road please, if anyone can help? 192.com only go from 2002 and FMP seem only to go to 1938 so I presume it was obtained locally? Having just scrolled back to page 3 of this thread, I notice it was MikeGee ... if you see this Mike, please could I see the whole page as my friend and I are very interested to see if there are any other Poysers or Haddons living close by. Thank you if you can. I've had a look on 192.com and FMP as I said above but have been unable to find anywhere with the e-rolls from the 40s online.

Thank you kindly. Nick.
 
Thank you very much indeed, Mike. Really appreciate that.

Just out of curiousity, do you mind if I ask where you got this from please? I tried to find it online, as I said, but without success.

Cheers muchly, Nick
 
hi nick you will find the electoral rolls on ancestry but you do need to subscribe to it

lyn
 
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