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John T Hornick

I also have this photo showing that John Hornick must have been drafted in to help police the London Dock Strike before the First World War.
 

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Hi Laurence breakwell
Just been reading your thread about and and about alot of your ancesters coming over and been recruititg to join
well i have the book on what was mentionioned the other eveng called the sinister side of birmingham
to put it correctly the proper spelling of the book is called, Birmingham,,, the sinister side , by steve jones
itis a great book about the police force and its history of crimes of murder and violence and crimes of every one
a man committed
if you can get your hands on the said book turn to page 64 where its commence and started the subject you want to now
about the calling and enrolling of the Irish people to come over and the way the british goverment advertised
there is a very serious amount of wordings to this subject so i cannot copy all but i am going to down load a couple of things and for you either buy the book or go to the libary and get a read of it or photo copy the subject may i add i recommended this book many years ago on the older threads years ago on this forum
i am just copying the last ends of paragraphgs
It named the senior police officer whom went across to Ireland to the emerald isle and conducted one of
the speediest interviews ever this is what he had done when there
CAN YOU READ , CAN YOU WRITE CAN YOU FIGHT , if the answer to all three was yes ;;the men sailed to england
Here is the excact photograph posted and some more info there is pages and pages of it to learn and get your answers to
and this my forum members was to quash the violence of summer lane in the early years of 1700 through to the 1800, and early 1900,s
 

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That's excellent. Thanks very much for that information. I'll look for that book. There is so much history that I am learning about Birmingham than I ever heard mentioned by my relatives. I was very surprised to hear about the Murphy Riots and the Ledsam St Dynamite Plot. Cheers Laurence
 
This book is a good read too:
 

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Hi LAURENCE
Yes i do have to agree with you its a very good read , i have actuly got and read the book a long time ago
did you see the picture of the bombers of ledsam street ladywood
you will see it in a book called ladywood listing ledsam street i grew up along from there and been in that
Old shop of the bombers if you have not you can still get the book its a a small book
I t als shows you the picture i did put it a couple of weeks back now
I really am looking and searching for a book called the Fewtrells the club land family
Especialy Eddie Fewtrells book i am very intrested in he as included names of people
whom he may have been involved with
Best wishes Astonian,,,,,,
 
Thanks A. I will search for that book. My G Grandfather Philip Drennan lived on Ledsam Street at the time of the Dynamite Conspiracy though at the other end.
 
I came across this photo yesterday. In it is my Grandfather who served in the City of Birmingham Police, the date on the back of the photo is 1904. I haven't got a clue where it is or who is in the car. He was stationed in Handsworth. Any ideas?
My father in law used to assemble and build the Lanchester.
 
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I found another photo of my grandfather on strike duty down in London at the docks. I gather industrial unrest was rife before the first world war.
 

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wonderful photo laurence...can you pick out who is your grandfather?? thanks for sharing it with us

lyn
 
Thanks, he is on the back row sixth from right and on this photo middle row fourth from right.
 

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Great photos Lawrence. In the photo post #29, I love the way one PC has not stood to attention for the photo and couldn't resist resting his leg up on the wooden beam.

Your second photo in post #31 is especially interesting as it looks like a totally mixed group: policemen, soldiers and young cadets. Do you know why? Any ideas about their role here? Viv.
 
Sort of wondering if it was a specialist training or a training exercise collaboration. Maybe someone on the forum can help us on this Laurence. Viv.
 
I've been searching for a possible i d of the soldiers cap badge, it could possibly be The Queen's Own (Royal West Kent Regiment) but the photo doesn't blow up well.
I should imagine that the soldiers were there to assist the police during the strike and the sailors may have been crewing RN vessels that would also have been used for patrolling.
In the mid-sixties our regiment had to take some vehicles to the London docks and before we set off we were warned not to say anything to the dockers in case we sparked off another strike.
There's nothing new under the sun, so they say.
 
The more you look at photo #31 the more details come out. It's not a formal photo. It's a photo of the group back at their camp (tents) and there seems to be much bonding between the men - hands on other men's shoulders, not just between the different forces. So I presume this mixed group had been together for a while. There's a man in a very different uniform to the right too. In the background is a building like a warehouse with a wharf for unloading/loading. Maybe they were guarding that building during the Grays strike? Viv.
 
I notice the sign on the warehouse in post#29 says

Purfleet
Wharf Saw Mills
Cargoes of Every Description
Discharged Overside Unloaded
For Millars Australian Hardwoods
72, Bishopgate Street.

Probably explains the presence of the large beam ... interesting photos.
 
Purfleet Wharf & Saw Mills was quite big as this map , admittedly dated c1920, shows. Also, then at least, next to an oil depot, so a target for disruption. Reckon the shed behind is the big one with the rail lines running into it

map c 1920 showing purfleet whaf & saw mills.jpg
 
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