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Eric Gibson
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I can't help much with the location but I think the car is a Lanchester built from between 1900 and 1911, possibly a 20hp. They were steered by a side lever, no steering wheel.
hi laurence what a fantastic photo of your grandad....i will pass this link onto one of our members steve rice who helps run the police museum even if he cant help with the location i am sure he will be interested in seeing the photograph...could we have your grandads name please as steve maybe able to look in records to see what beat he was on..fingers crossed someone may recognise those lovely houses which i would imagine must be around the handsworth area
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Photo looks to me like Soho Hill/Road. There were once several large houses like this along there. It's at a junction with another road too, the houses in that adjacent road are probably less grand. Viv.
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thanks janice..i have alerted steve rice to this thread sure he will take a look as soon as he gets my message...just looking at photo 2 on post 9 and to the right there seems to be a poster advertising some sports event..cant make out at what park but i think i can make out that it says C DIVISION...i would take a guess that john hornick is on the steps of what could have been an old police station at that time...can also make out the word army bottom right of the poster..
If they're standing outside a police station in post#8 it doesn't look like Handsworth Police Station (Thornhill Road). Viv.
Well ,
What i suggest to do is to check is collar number by records if your friend steve as access records that far back
and work out the C divisons meaning check where c division was around the areas
firstly C division incorporates Handsworth , Thornhill road , Then keyon street then ladywood , Then Ladywood, original
police station not the latest of today Oh of Course dudley road which was a little house out side summerfield road
even today it had a litle bush garden on the front and a twineing little path to the small sized front door as in the picture
Itwas a small type house with about the same sized reception
these was all the C Divisional stations it was later in the 1900,s 60\70 that belgrave road became C division to be included
I am just wondering whether or not it could have been kingsheath as they had all there horse stabled there as well as duke street
It will be intresting to find out the result
best wishes Astonian,,,,,Alan,,,
What i suggest to do is to check is collar number by records if your friend steve as access records that far back
and work out the C divisons meaning check where c division was around the areas
firstly C division incorporates Handsworth , Thornhill road , Then keyon street then ladywood , Then Ladywood, original
police station not the latest of today Oh of Course dudley road which was a little house out side summerfield road
even today it had a litle bush garden on the front and a twineing little path to the small sized front door as in the picture
Itwas a small type house with about the same sized reception
these was all the C Divisional stations it was later in the 1900,s 60\70 that belgrave road became C division to be included
I am just wondering whether or not it could have been kingsheath as they had all there horse stabled there as well as duke street
It will be intresting to find out the result
best wishes Astonian,,,,,Alan,,,
Steve R
master brummie
Very interesting pictures.
I am going to have to see what there is in the museum but I don't believe there is a surviving file at least not from the spreadsheet I have access to at home. I can say that his full name is John Thomas Hornick and he joined Birmingham City police on the 21st August 1903.
Re the pics on post 7
Pic 1 he has Birmingham City helmet
Pic 2 there isn't anything distinguishing that I note.
Pic 3 appears also to be a Birmingham City helmet.
It is possible to have more than one number. The practice has now stopped but back in the day if an officer moved division he was given a different letter and number with the letter denoting the divisional area he worked.
It should also be remembered that the Birmingham force covered a much smaller operational area back then and the County boundaries were different. I will have to check the old map but I think Canterbury Station for example was in Staffordshire policing area although I may be wrong but I am sure it has the Staffordshire Knot above the door when I worked there.
The C Division would have been Thornhill, Ladywood up as far as Harborne I believe. Need to look at the old maps if they are not packed away
Steve R
I am going to have to see what there is in the museum but I don't believe there is a surviving file at least not from the spreadsheet I have access to at home. I can say that his full name is John Thomas Hornick and he joined Birmingham City police on the 21st August 1903.
Re the pics on post 7
Pic 1 he has Birmingham City helmet
Pic 2 there isn't anything distinguishing that I note.
Pic 3 appears also to be a Birmingham City helmet.
It is possible to have more than one number. The practice has now stopped but back in the day if an officer moved division he was given a different letter and number with the letter denoting the divisional area he worked.
It should also be remembered that the Birmingham force covered a much smaller operational area back then and the County boundaries were different. I will have to check the old map but I think Canterbury Station for example was in Staffordshire policing area although I may be wrong but I am sure it has the Staffordshire Knot above the door when I worked there.
The C Division would have been Thornhill, Ladywood up as far as Harborne I believe. Need to look at the old maps if they are not packed away
Steve R
Hi Steve
Iknow i put kings heath but if its for the horse brigade police section and now you have said possibly harborne
came in with the C division well i was thinking of the kings norton section or would that have been over the boundries
i have got a friend whom worked at duke street on the main operations divisions number 1 car as they called it
he left the force some years ago but i do still see him and his wife
whom actualy still works at the queens road aston station may be she may be able to put an input
well its great that you are a member and may be resolve this puzzle look foreward to seing your result best wishes Astonian,,,,
Iknow i put kings heath but if its for the horse brigade police section and now you have said possibly harborne
came in with the C division well i was thinking of the kings norton section or would that have been over the boundries
i have got a friend whom worked at duke street on the main operations divisions number 1 car as they called it
he left the force some years ago but i do still see him and his wife
whom actualy still works at the queens road aston station may be she may be able to put an input
well its great that you are a member and may be resolve this puzzle look foreward to seing your result best wishes Astonian,,,,
My Grandfather came over from Ireland to join the Birmingham Constabulary. He came from a long line of Policeman in the Royal Irish Constabulary. They were of German Palatine Origin. They came to England as Prodestant refugees in the early 1700s when they were oppressed by the Catholic French troops. The British Government resettled them in Ireland.
Do you know much about the Police recruiting story by Birmingham City at that time my Grandfather came?
Do you know much about the Police recruiting story by Birmingham City at that time my Grandfather came?
Hi Laurence breakwell
Just been reading your thread about and and about alot of your ancesters coming over and been recruititg to join
well i have the book on what was mentionioned the other eveng called the sinister side of birmingham
to put it correctly the proper spelling of the book is called, Birmingham,,, the sinister side , by steve jones
itis a great book about the police force and its history of crimes of murder and violence and crimes of every one
a man committed
if you can get your hands on the said book turn to page 64 where its commence and started the subject you want to now
about the calling and enrolling of the Irish people to come over and the way the british goverment advertised
there is a very serious amount of wordings to this subject so i cannot copy all but i am going to down load a couple of things and for you either buy the book or go to the libary and get a read of it or photo copy the subject may i add i recommended this book many years ago on the older threads years ago on this forum
i am just copying the last ends of paragraphgs
It named the senior police officer whom went across to Ireland to the emerald isle and conducted one of
the speediest interviews ever this is what he had done when there
CAN YOU READ , CAN YOU WRITE CAN YOU FIGHT , if the answer to all three was yes ;;the men sailed to england
Here is the excact photograph posted and some more info there is pages and pages of it to learn and get your answers to
and this my forum members was to quash the violence of summer lane in the early years of 1700 through to the 1800, and early 1900,s
Just been reading your thread about and and about alot of your ancesters coming over and been recruititg to join
well i have the book on what was mentionioned the other eveng called the sinister side of birmingham
to put it correctly the proper spelling of the book is called, Birmingham,,, the sinister side , by steve jones
itis a great book about the police force and its history of crimes of murder and violence and crimes of every one
a man committed
if you can get your hands on the said book turn to page 64 where its commence and started the subject you want to now
about the calling and enrolling of the Irish people to come over and the way the british goverment advertised
there is a very serious amount of wordings to this subject so i cannot copy all but i am going to down load a couple of things and for you either buy the book or go to the libary and get a read of it or photo copy the subject may i add i recommended this book many years ago on the older threads years ago on this forum
i am just copying the last ends of paragraphgs
It named the senior police officer whom went across to Ireland to the emerald isle and conducted one of
the speediest interviews ever this is what he had done when there
CAN YOU READ , CAN YOU WRITE CAN YOU FIGHT , if the answer to all three was yes ;;the men sailed to england
Here is the excact photograph posted and some more info there is pages and pages of it to learn and get your answers to
and this my forum members was to quash the violence of summer lane in the early years of 1700 through to the 1800, and early 1900,s
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That's excellent. Thanks very much for that information. I'll look for that book. There is so much history that I am learning about Birmingham than I ever heard mentioned by my relatives. I was very surprised to hear about the Murphy Riots and the Ledsam St Dynamite Plot. Cheers Laurence
Hi LAURENCE
Yes i do have to agree with you its a very good read , i have actuly got and read the book a long time ago
did you see the picture of the bombers of ledsam street ladywood
you will see it in a book called ladywood listing ledsam street i grew up along from there and been in that
Old shop of the bombers if you have not you can still get the book its a a small book
I t als shows you the picture i did put it a couple of weeks back now
I really am looking and searching for a book called the Fewtrells the club land family
Especialy Eddie Fewtrells book i am very intrested in he as included names of people
whom he may have been involved with
Best wishes Astonian,,,,,,
Yes i do have to agree with you its a very good read , i have actuly got and read the book a long time ago
did you see the picture of the bombers of ledsam street ladywood
you will see it in a book called ladywood listing ledsam street i grew up along from there and been in that
Old shop of the bombers if you have not you can still get the book its a a small book
I t als shows you the picture i did put it a couple of weeks back now
I really am looking and searching for a book called the Fewtrells the club land family
Especialy Eddie Fewtrells book i am very intrested in he as included names of people
whom he may have been involved with
Best wishes Astonian,,,,,,
Celia Dillworth
Spencer Street Pupil
My father in law used to assemble and build the Lanchester.
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