Thanks for the info. I can tell you that John Matthews died in 1920. He and Bertha had 6 children the eldest was Annie and the youngest was my grandfather Sidney Victor Matthews. I have tried Charles from Portsmouth and cannot be certain that this ties in. The post regarding Charles from Oldham I will look into and see if that helps and also the mmn lees as the same Christian name as johnsdaughterthanks MWS..think i will start again tomorrow when the grey cells are more alert
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