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Ideal Cafe, Coventry Road

berniew

master brummie
Suemalings if the cottages were the ones almost next to St Crispen's chuch the site they were on would be the entrance to the car park where Next is on the other side of the island from ASDA . St Crispens chuch is still there and the Fordrough not sure about Latch and bachelor though
 

robert

master brummie
The pub in Hay Mills is the Plough, its boarded up at the moment but i dont know of any plans to demolish it.
 
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lencops

gone but not forgotten
Catsclaws, 1 of my sisters was married in St Cyprians church, Webster & Horsfall wire & tube makers built the church over the River Cole they were taken over by Tube Investments and the entrance to the factory is by the refuse site. Len.
 

earlgary

master brummie
Lencops you brought many happy memories back when you were describing the layout of Coventry Rd. You mentioned a dairy called Slaters was it ever called Freemans dairies? I was born at 1948 Coventry Rd and remember the shops you mentioned. What happened to the Good Companions pub, I bet that has long gone? I haven't seen that side of Birmingham since the 1960's.
 

lencops

gone but not forgotten
earlgary, Next to Slaters was Freemans Transport they did some sort grain deliveries only when a lorry arrived was the front open, The Good Companions was part demolished, bits added and became Harry Ramsdens restaurent & take away, then The Shooting Star, a so called fun pub, its now a Spice Island, Indian, Chinese food etc, had many a great night at the dances in The Good Uns as we locals it, in my younger days!!. Len.
 

robert

master brummie
Freemans also had milk tankers. They closed in the late 70s, thier building became a car spares centre. It is now a tyre depot. The Good Companians was completely demolished, The short lived Harry Ramsdens restraunt was a complete rebuild. The area has changed so much since the 60s and is about to do so again.
 

berniew

master brummie
Suemalings the factory is still there the church and a couple of cottages past the church towards the factory gates i think they or 1 of them is a vicarage. The Plough has been boarded up for years ,don't know what's happening with that .Good luck with your search Bernie
 

Catsclaws

master brummie
Is that the passageway my mum is on about then Len . She says that there was Green lane and then Wimbushes and the wall to the factory was the wall to a small dead end passageway with a single row of house going down facing that wall . Her Gran Kathleen Clarke lived in the house at the end of the passage way . But mum cant remember the name of it . I think It might have been before I was born in 1956 .. I dont know

Best wishes Jean BTW len was that last message meant for me .. I must be a bit think :)
 

earlgary

master brummie
I went to school with a Roger Freeman and somewhere in my memory I connected him to the Freemans milk business. Isn't it a shame that all the olds pubs are disappearing,I read on this site that the Waggon and Horses was being pulled down I think if I went back there I wouldn't know the area there used to be lots of fields and open spaces. On the opposite side of the road to the Good Companions was a block of shops where we used to collect our rations are they still there?
 

Astonian

gone but not forgotten
I THINK YOU WILL FIND THE IDEAL CAFE WAS JUST BEFORE FLORA RD
AND THE PETROL STATION AS YOU CLIMB THE HILL HEADING TOWARDS THE SWAN
I TRAVELLED UP THE COV TODAY AND THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT ,IT WAS DEFINATELY IN THE LITTLE SHOPS AND EVENTUALY IT BECAME A INSURANCE OFFICE
AND LATER AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS IT BECAME SOME THINK ELSE
THERE FORE IT WAS NOT NEXT TO THE JOB CENTR IT Was mistake and at the time it was painted dark blue and it was a little small shop Astonian ;;;
 

lindyloo

master brummie
earlgary..The Wagon and Horses was pulled down eventually, after being subjected to much vandalism and a couple of fires, it was an eyesore for ages. An Aldi supermarket now stands on the land and yes, the block of shops opposite the Old Goodies site is still there....I live just a few minutes walk from there.
 

lencops

gone but not forgotten
Who needs the Ideal Cafe when you could get free liquid refreshment here & then get relief just a few yards away!!, location just past the "Bill & Old Bush pub, outside Oaklands Rec, Coventry Rd, the Water Fountain is still there but not working, the urinal was demolished years ago. Len.
 
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Astonian

gone but not forgotten
hi len
i remember then very well
so if you walk back down the cov from that point of view
towards hay mills you come to my old friends pub
barry the gaffer or is family not to sure if he as emigrated to spain and his daughters running it now
but do not enter the pub ' ha . ha .
but walk past the pub for afew yards you have a side rd
then what used to be an old gareage but now they sell
second hand cars / just past that compound was hammon d house with hamnd insurance company on the first ground floor
and that was hammond house then changed its name there was houses on that plot before they built the office block
and a little row of house many years ago and they was converted to little shops, and the very last little house converted to a cafe and thats where the little ideal cafe was invented
then it was sold to some body whom set up an isueance company for axis and commercial insurances ,s
then later on in time 12 mnths to two years even 3 yrs max
thats when they done some demolishing and built that office block
and refuge came in ansd a couple of finnace merchants
then they moved out and went up the rd where you said
the original door painted dark blue at the old cafe was also by the insurance taxi insurance company and that little door is still there
where i am maintaing where the oringinal idea cafe opened
and tonight i am going to my daughtrs and i am asking my sonfor the loan of his digital camera and take that picture and possible the house number on the door and that will tell us rge excact number of covenyrty rd
regarding the big malins family i do know a lot if them
like a lot in hay mils we have got quite afew new members now on the forum like the wards family jacko and is family and there is more prople whom would remember the little ideal cafe
and i know these people also know the wards and the malins
because they are life time members in hay mills and the local clubs
such as the working mans club ran by sqizzer a shop steward from the old morriswhomalso knows the natives of hay mills
he was brought up arounf there and ran the club for donkey years
the malin are part of the swan exservivesmans club
or may be they used be on the committe there
but i have not seen them in years
any way len i should havethe number for you p cross checj the number of the property ans see if it was listed okay best widhes astonian , ;;;;;
 

lindyloo

master brummie
Hi suemalings, it's been a while I know, but for the past few days, I have been looking for another shop that was next door but one to The Ideal Cafe in Kelly's 1908 Directory. The shop was that of K Lane, wife of Charles Arthur Lane, listed in the 1908 at Excelsior, Coventry Road. Going by Lencops (rip) posts, I figured that Lane's may have been the one I have highlighted in the attached picture (or if not that one, one out of shot to the left) and so the Cafe would have been close by going towards the later built Tivoli Cinema..
I would be grateful for your thoughts and anyone elses.
Hope you and yours are keeping well

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mikejee

Super Moderator
Staff member
Lindy loo
Its probably me not seeing properly, but I can't find your Lane in the 1908 directory. Was it definitely 1908?
 

lindyloo

master brummie
Hi mikejee, well I'm baffled now because I could have sworn I found it in the 1908, but I can't find it now and have checked the other years I have access too. But it is definitely on the "List" for 1911 under the name Lane and the couple were listed twice in the 1911 as they were at 865 Coventry Road too, which I think I worked out to have been demolished for The Singer Factory
1911 lane cov list.JPG 1911 kate lane excelsior 1.JPG1911 kate lane.JPG
 

pjmburns

master brummie
865 Coventry Road was outside Birmingham - just after 727 it says "boundary" so I assume it would be under Warwickshire??

Janice
 

lindyloo

master brummie
Thanks Janice, I have noticed that too on some lists, but on the 1911 census "List" it is listed nextdoor but one to Rylands Farm which was before the Churches going up towards Oldknow Road.1911 list Cov rd 865.JPG
 
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