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Lyn......I am in contact with Jimmy Warner's great grand daughter and have been for a number of years, one of the first things she asked was about the rumour of Jimmy being involved in the theft ....At that time I said I hadn't heard that rumour and that I don't think he would have been involved, but after doing a bit of research on him, I am not to sure now, he seemed to like a gamble and I don't think he was very good at it, he followed one of his daughters to the USA leaving his wife and other children behind, he spent the rest of his life there, his great grand daughter is also an American and has always lived there, so I am wondering if the rumour came through the family ?, if so it could only come via Jimmy himself bragging to someone else, he was living in the Spring Hill area at the time the cup went missing....maybe he knew your great granddad...
Hi Lyn. Fascinating story about the Cup. Did the family myth ever suggest in what way Henry H was involved? He might not have been directly involved in stealing it but maybe, for example, in storing it, researching the site, supplying tools or passing on the melted down material/coins. What was his 'regular' line of work? Would this job/his skills have been useful ? Viv.
Hi Lyn. Was Henry in the Boer War? If so he would quite possibly have been serving in Africa at the time of the 1901 Census. The Coldstream Guards definitely served out there. War ended 1902
viv henry applied for africa but was deemed unfit to go...
OK Lyn. Going to be controversial now. Was this an inside job? Was Shillcocks in on the disappearance of the Cup? Just a thought. Viv.
Hi viv
On the story of the villa cup being stolen from the silversmiths whenit was sent for commission to be engraved upon for they name to be engraved upon
After they won the cup ( villa ) it was indeed stolen by a person whom broke into the premises and taken it
The owners was not involved in any way it was thought it was some/one from summer lane in that era
I was told this story way back in the late fifty,s by a guy whom was a rascal his name was a jimmy Wilson
About the FA Cup was stolen from the shop in that period and never found and they had to make another cup
And I think any one whom have access to these files such as the local paper in that area for the 1800 which was probably the Birmingham post
Or what ever it was in those giant sheet paper for news will probably whom was caught but I do believe some/one was caught for it
But I just cannot recall the name was mentioniond but it is a true story but there was a certain gentleman living in farm street at that time period was a police officer
Whilst his family tree was as crooked as they come and they questioniond him but this senior person whom was a police officer emigrated to Australia,
Not saying it was him thou but people had food for thought in those days
I wish I could meet up with this guy called jimmy from old heath street way back in time he told us this story
But there is a record some where on it in the archives may be the Birmingham post of the 1800 period when it happened as it most certainly did
Alan,,Astonian,,,,,
Interesting newspaper report Lyn. So did your gt grandad wear India rubber soled boots? !! I doubt many people ever wore them. Think most were usually all leather (hobnailed) boots at that time. So the the India rubber soled boots were especially bought for the job of climbing onto the roof. But who would have supplied him with the boots? Maybe he bought the boots from Shillcocks. Did Shillcocks sell them in his shop? Viv.
I forgot to say in my posting that Jimmy Warner was the Aston Villa goalkeeper in that Villa victory .....