Hospital Street

[Astoness]

Wow, who were your grand parents Lyn? I’m sure they would have known each other as the community was a close one from what my mum told us.

yes tracy good community spirit back in the day...my gt grandmother was alice harrington...have just been on ancestry to look at the 39 register to look at the written record which lists where everyone was living on the eve of the second world war and reads as follows

97 hospital st

charles griffiths born 1883 married general dealer
alice griffiths born 1892 married..unpaid domestic duties
horace griffiths born 1924 engineering toolmaker
gwendoline griffiths born 1925 screw assembler
eva griffiths born 1931

there are also 3 other people at the address but the records are closed so we cant see who they were...as i understand it if the person has died the closed records should be opened but unfortunately the updating of the 39 register is very very slow..i have an uncle who died aged 6 in 1941 but his name is still blanked out on the register..i also understand that if you provide proof of death the closed records will be opened up for you to see..if you are thinking of joining ancestry you can join for just a month at a time if you wish...its £13.99 a month i think and well worth it if you are going to research your family history..hope this is of help

lyn

 

[MWS]

Anomaly with Charles and George is because I think he was Charles George Griffiths b1883 Aston, died 1941 Bham.

An anomaly with some of the children though, some are listed with mmn Ellery and others with Green and they overlap. Horace (1924) and Eva (1932) both Ellery and Iveline (1919), Gwendoline (1925), Kenneth(1927), Ronald (1929)and Priscilla (1934) all Green.

At first I thought it was because Charles married twice but not sure now. Can't see a marriage for him and Alice at all.

 

[MWS]

Think I've solved the Ellery/Green problem.

Alice May Green married Ernest George Ellery in Dorset 1913. Ernest died in 1916 WWI. And it would appear that then Alice 'married' Charles and there were a couple of errors when registering births.

And as Syd was an Ellery you probably know all this already.

 

[TracyB]

Think I've solved the Ellery/Green problem.

Alice May Green married Ernest George Ellery in Dorset 1913. Ernest died in 1916 WWI. And it would appear that then Alice 'married' Charles and there were a couple of errors when registering births.

And as Syd was an Ellery you probably know all this already.

Thank you, we thought nan had married twice but not for def. My mum also seemed to think that Alice and Charles never actually did marry. Many thanks.

 

[TracyB]

Anomaly with Charles and George is because I think he was Charles George Griffiths b1883 Aston, died 1941 Bham.

An anomaly with some of the children though, some are listed with mmn Ellery and others with Green and they overlap. Horace (1924) and Eva (1932) both Ellery and Iveline (1919), Gwendoline (1925), Kenneth(1927), Ronald (1929)and Priscilla (1934) all Green.

At first I thought it was because Charles married twice but not sure now. Can't see a marriage for him and Alice at all.

Have a feeling Alice and Charles did not actually marry. My father (Horace) was a Griffiths but have never seen his birth certificate so may have been registered Green (Alice’s maiden name) going to ask my sisters if they know anything else. Many thanks.

Anomaly with Charles and George is because I think he was Charles George Griffiths b1883 Aston, died 1941 Bham.

An anomaly with some of the children though, some are listed with mmn Ellery and others with Green and they overlap. Horace (1924) and Eva (1932) both Ellery and Iveline (1919), Gwendoline (1925), Kenneth(1927), Ronald (1929)and Priscilla (1934) all Green.

At first I thought it was because Charles married twice but not sure now. Can't see a marriage for him and Alice at all.

We were never sure if Alice and Charles married. As far as we know all the children took on Charles name, Griffiths but we havent seen their birth certificates so could be registered Green. Thank you for spending time on this- v useful..

 

[MWS]

Sorry a little confusion. They were all registered Griffiths, it's the mother's maiden name that changes.

You also mention Syd, who was an Ellery, but it appears that Alice and Ernest also had another son also called Ernest.

 

[berniesims]

yes tracy good community spirit back in the day...my gt grandmother was alice harrington...have just been on ancestry to look at the 39 register to look at the written record which lists where everyone was living on the eve of the second world war and reads as follows

97 hospital st

charles griffiths born 1883 married general dealer
alice griffiths born 1892 married..unpaid domestic duties
horace griffiths born 1924 engineering toolmaker
gwendoline griffiths born 1925 screw assembler
eva griffiths born 1931

there are also 3 other people at the address but the records are closed so we cant see who they were...as i understand it if the person has died the closed records should be opened but unfortunately the updating of the 39 register is very very slow..i have an uncle who died aged 6 in 1941 but his name is still blanked out on the register..i also understand that if you provide proof of death the closed records will be opened up for you to see..if you are thinking of joining ancestry you can join for just a month at a time if you wish...its £13.99 a month i think and well worth it if you are going to research your family history..hope this is of help

lyn

Hi Astoness - I see that you have previously posted pics of Hospital St on the forum. Unfortunately they are not there now. I believe that my GGGG Uncle Joseph Midlam Sims is registered as working at No. 73 as a Hat maker. It would be great if you could re-post the pics.

 

[currerbell]

My great grandmother Leah Hudson was born on this day in Hospital Street, either no 286 or 2/86 Im not sure of the actual house number.

 

[Vivienne14]

As many of the images are no longer available on this thread, here are two. The first is Court #17. Presumably the second image is of a court (?) or an alleyway leading off Hospital Street but unfortunately I have no further details.

(Edit New info has identified the 2nd image below). Viv.






Please note. The image below was incorrectly labelled on another site and is in fact REGENTS ROW. (Not Hospital Street).

 

[Astoness]

viv i have seen the first one before but not the second ..looks to me as though is it an allyway sandwiched between factories and some of the men are wearing work aprons...love to know its location though and for all i know one of my ancestors could be in the photo

lyn

 

[carolina]

viv i have seen the first one before but not the second ..looks to me as though is it an allyway sandwiched between factories and some of the men are wearing work aprons...love to know its location though and for all i know one of my ancestors could be in the photo

lyn

I think the 2nd one is Regents Row in the JQ

 

[Astoness]

hi carol..looking again at the 2nd photo i may have seen it before..will do a search of my folders

lyn

 

[Astoness]

yep i think it could be regents row...this a photo taken in 2008 location..regents row..looks pretty much like the same buildings on the right as in vivs photo i also have the same photo that viv posted saying regents row

 

[Radiorails]

Well, that No.2 photo does not look the sort of place to be on a dark night!

 

[Vivienne14]

Thanks all have edited the post with the correct info. Viv.

 

[Totran]

Hi, I would like to thank everyone who has contributed pictures and information to this thread, I've spent a couple of enjoyable hours reading through trying to understand the layout of the street.
My GG grandparents and family Thomas Tranter is listed as living at 64 Upper Hospital Street on the 1871 census and the family is at the same address on the 1881 (less Thomas and son William, my G grandfather).
Further down the street in 1871 at 6H 18CT are Joseph and Sophia Edwards with family including daughter Maria who would marry William Tranter in 1884. In 1881 the Edwards family are at the same address but in 1891 have moved to 214 Hospital Street with Sophia widowed and a midwife. In 1901 Sophia is at the same address with one of her married daughters and her husband and family. In 1911 Sophia is living alone aged 70 still listed as Midwife at Bk 217 Farm Street which i believe was at the top of Hospital St.
My G grandfather William and wife Maria had moved to 1 Bk 68 Theodore Street after getting married where they had 5 of their 9 children before moving to Markby Road, Winson Green around 1900 which is where i remember spending my Sunday afternoons as a little lad visiting my grandfather who lived there till his death in 1963.
My Father and his two brothers were born at Markby Road.
Could someone tell me if the houses shown in the photo's would have been built before the 1870's-90's or would they be a later build?
Many thanks,

Tony

 

[Astoness]

hi tony and welcome...smashing first post...are you talking about the hospital st photos if so they most certainly would have been built well before the 1870s most likely the 1840s or even a tad earlier the same goes for farm st and theodore....very old streets indeed in fact we have a thread for farm st where i have posted lots of photos and there maybe a thread for theodore st as well..use the search box top right...any problems finding them just give me shout

lyn

 

[Totran]

Hi Lyn,
Thanks for the reply, yes I meant the photo's as I wasn't sure if they would be the actual houses my ancestors lived in. I always thought Upper Hospital Street would be at the northern end but apparently it was at the town end, on old maps I've seen it just says Hospital Street.
I'll have a look for the Farm Street thread, many thanks

Tony

 

[Astoness]

hi tony i also have interest in hospital st...like i said if you have any problems just say..if our map expert mike spots this post he should be able to post you a map highlighting exactly where 64 upper hospital st was in 1871 as sometimes streets were renumbered at some point

lyn

 

[Totran]

Thanks very much Lyn, I've found the Farm Street Hockley thread which I'm reading through now. I Know very little about that area, I was born in Selly Oak hospital and brought up in West Heath and Rubery. I did a 5 year apprenticeship in Gooch St North but apart from visiting my grandfather in Winson Green late 1950's early 1960's didn't realy travel much into Brum.

Tony

 

[Astoness]

great tony...just one thing farm st was not in handsworth...enjoy

lyn

 

[mossg]

Hi Tony welcome to the forum, if my memory serves me well Upper Hospital street was the north end of the street therefore Farm street was at the upper Hospital street end.there was was also a Lower Hospital street [ town end ] with Hospital street in the middle.

Moss

 

[Totran]

Hi Moss, thanks for the welcome. I was going off information given by Mikejee in post 79 on page 4 of this thread, so I'm still a little confused but at least I now know the type of dwellings they lived in thanks to the wonderful pictures posted which is what I wanted most.

" I attach a not very clear 1883 map. It shows hospital st going from summer lane to Tower St, then upper hospital st to New John St West, then Lower Hospital St going further north to Farm St . although you can’t make out the writing “Lower hospital St”, the 1880 directory does give lower hospital St being at that position "

many thanks
Tony

 

[mossg]

Thanks for putting e right Tony, I bow to Mikegees superior knowledge he is the A1 man to go to with these problems.
In fact looking through the posts he has already explained this and I have forgotten ( age )

Moss

 

[mikejee]

Below is a ,map c 1889 showing where no 64 was on Hospital St in 1871, between New john St West and Brearley St, in red

 

[Astoness]

thanks for the map mike..so looking at the overlay maps 64 was round about where uxbridge st now starts

lyn

 

[Totran]

Wow such a detailed OS map, what scale is that? So just north of the Brearley Street junction, thanks very much mikejee, it's very much appreciated.

Tony

 

[mikejee]

The map is a scan of a 1:500 map

 

[ktyncook]

yep i think it could be regents row...this a photo taken in 2008 location..regents row..looks pretty much like the same buildings on the right as in vivs photo i also have the same photo that viv posted saying regents row


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This is where my great-grandfather, Leslie Cook (born c. 1903), had his tool-making workshop. His father / grandfather / great-grandfather (all George Cook) and associated family were all born in / around the jewellery quarter (some on Regents Row itself, others at Court 20, Hospital Street) and worked as toolmakers, engravers, gem-setters and jewellers. He was a regular at the Rose Hill Tavern and grew up in Handsworth. If anyone has any related information, I'd love to hear!

 

[Eton Sun]

Hi All, I am enjoying the Hospital Street thread. It has come a long way since I last commented on the forums. I have been researching the company of Reuben Heaton for over 20 years. I acquired the firm over 30 years ago and we are still going strong after more than 160 years. Does anyone have any records of family or relatives that lived at or around the firms site (9&10 latterly 161 to 165 after the numbers changed in 1884) between the 1860's and 1900. Were any of your relatives fishing tackle makers or brass workers. Thanks in advance