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High Speed Train 2

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ellbrown

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Photo of the new taxi rank outside of Moor Street Station (moved from Moor Street to Moor Street Queensway due to new bus stops), but you can see the HS2 station works behind, including the demolition of Curzon Gate student accommodation.

 

ellbrown

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HS2 land clearance either side of Lawley Middleway, seen from the Cross City line. Raining on the way into Birmingham New Street.



The student accommodation is gone.



Took these more for stars on Millennium Point than for HS2.



 

cookie273uk

master brummie
I thought I recently read that HS2 was on hold pending further Governmental decisions ? because of escalating costs etc... did I read it wrong. Eric
 

mikejee

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I noticed from the train on thursday that there were men working on the old burial site, possibly just tidying up. But also men with bulldozers and things on the Curzon st station site. so do not know whether something has been decided, but not yet announced
 

Lloyd

master brummie
I thought I recently read that HS2 was on hold pending further Governmental decisions ? because of escalating costs etc... did I read it wrong. Eric
Existing contracts would have to be paid for anyway, so work may as well continue whilst ongoing decisions are being made. "On hold" will mean no new contracts to be let out as yet.
 

Heartland

master brummie
Whilst the debate goes on in the media, the Queens Speech has indicated that it will go forward, the main issue is cost, though. Meanwhile the demolition continues. The Eagle & Tun closed on January 4th, 2020 and is to be demolished to make way for the HS2. It may have been an iconic venue associated with the music band UB40, the exterior has not escaped the attention of the graffiti vandals.
 

mikejee

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At least the Woodman is saved. Work stopped on the site for some time after the project was in suspension, but started again before Christmas, some time before the official announcement of it continuing. On Saturday this could be seen from the train. Sorry for the annoying reflections

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Astoness

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good job the woodman was not in its path mike because i have no doubt that if it had been in the way it would also have gone

lyn
 

Edifi

master brummie
OH my old town,What have they done to you.Looking at the photos couldn't remember any part.The last time I was there was Sept 2018 down the Old Fish & Meat Mkt.Every time I see pictures on here it looks so strangely different :joy::joy::joy:
 

Nico

master brummie
Signed Petition. It is coming near here too. Through Burton Green club and small holding, woodland, public footpaths, disused railway nature trail and farmland. Through my cousin's friend's house which will be bought by compulsory purchase for much much less than it's real value. Plus they will have to find somewhere else to live and they have this at the back of their mind all the time. And no one will buy it now of course. Strangely they have built 2 or 3 new boxy houses. I was told that the surrounding area will need temporary housing or find lodging for the large amount of construction workers needed.
 

Robert Ensor (bob)

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So as someone that's been out of the loop both on the new trams and HS 2 and reading the Eagle and Turn thread I thought some education on the subject for me was needed.
I've read the fors and the against arguments both sides have valid points.
The current cost estimate for me is still low do not get me wrong 88 Billion is no small number but I fear the further we get down the rails the larger the cost will become
If all goes well and high speed rail gets completed in 2035 ?, that would be 25 years from the germ of the idea and forecasting costs that far ahead bothers me

Let me switch tracks here and float a thought
The CES show has just taken place here in America ( consumer electronics show ) and one of the big items getting a lot of buzz was small drones capable of carrying people
Shown was a collaboration drone between Hyundai and Uber, with a estimated realized time of 10 years.
Look how quick technology is moving two brothers at the beginning of the last century had the first powered flight on a beach, 70 years later we were walking on the Moon.
We had CD players that at first would skip if you hit a bump in the road that got fixed with a chip, well that chip had more computing power than the Apollo Rocket that went to the moon.
Look what's in your handbag or front trouser pocket a hand held device there let's you communicate any where in the world and God knows what else.
We already have self driving cars and trucks on our roads, what's stopping us from having self flying drones and if that's the case why bother with rails at any speed.
Do not misunderstand I can see a need for short rail journeys and jumping on a tram
How about I live in Rednal and I want to travel to London I go to Cofften Park hop on a Uber drone fly to London hop off in Hyde Park just like a rock star.
 

Williamstreeter

master brummie
So as someone that's been out of the loop both on the new trams and HS 2 and reading the Eagle and Turn thread I thought some education on the subject for me was needed.
I've read the fors and the against arguments both sides have valid points.
The current cost estimate for me is still low do not get me wrong 88 Billion is no small number but I fear the further we get down the rails the larger the cost will become
If all goes well and high speed rail gets completed in 2035 ?, that would be 25 years from the germ of the idea and forecasting costs that far ahead bothers me

Let me switch tracks here and float a thought
The CES show has just taken place here in America ( consumer electronics show ) and one of the big items getting a lot of buzz was small drones capable of carrying people
Shown was a collaboration drone between Hyundai and Uber, with a estimated realized time of 10 years.
Look how quick technology is moving two brothers at the beginning of the last century had the first powered flight on a beach, 70 years later we were walking on the Moon.
We had CD players that at first would skip if you hit a bump in the road that got fixed with a chip, well that chip had more computing power than the Apollo Rocket that went to the moon.
Look what's in your handbag or front trouser pocket a hand held device there let's you communicate any where in the world and God knows what else.
We already have self driving cars and trucks on our roads, what's stopping us from having self flying drones and if that's the case why bother with rails at any speed.
Do not misunderstand I can see a need for short rail journeys and jumping on a tram
How about I live in Rednal and I want to travel to London I go to Cofften Park hop on a Uber drone fly to London hop off in Hyde Park just like a rock star.
Bob it was a race with both subjects being in the pipeline for three years each Brexit/HS2 which one would get moving first . Thankfully Boris eased the first part , I'd like to ask though why do we need a HS2 when the lines we have can hardly cope with the normal trains we have . Plus the trains leave a lot to be desired punctuality wise, conditions also to the detriment leaves from trees on the line , wrong type of snow or sleet . This is some of the dross commuters have to listen to as to why the 10.35 to Runcorn turned up late . Will HS2 alleviate the problems of punctuality and flora and fauna , I doubt it . We never had these problems with steam and leaves , punctuality was a bit better also.
 

Nico

master brummie
I wonder with HS2's fine tuning if it will keep breaking down or won't be able to manage leaves and frozen points?
I was a passenger in a car which drove itself on a cruise position, in France, I felt very uncomfortable and it flagged up a disabled parking spot on a raised pavement on a five way junction at traffic lights except it was only accessible from the opposite direction. The driver, Captain Fearless crossed the junction on the diagonal, heading the wrong way in to oncoming traffic at the lights and parked it, the other drivers were in a state of shock. As were we.
Point I am trying to make is with this surge of new technology ''I" think it brings more opportunities for accidents. The legislation and safety is not as yet keeping up with new invention. (in this case here of inapropiate snooping) Or am I old fashioned? I could go on that drone flyers are up to no good as they no laws have been made for them. We also are getting rising bad reports about Uber drivers where I live.
 

Bob Johnson

master brummie
I wonder with HS2's fine tuning if it will keep breaking down or won't be able to manage leaves and frozen points?
I was a passenger in a car which drove itself on a cruise position, in France, I felt very uncomfortable and it flagged up a disabled parking spot on a raised pavement on a five way junction at traffic lights except it was only accessible from the opposite direction. The driver, Captain Fearless crossed the junction on the diagonal, heading the wrong way in to oncoming traffic at the lights and parked it, the other drivers were in a state of shock. As were we.
Point I am trying to make is with this surge of new technology ''I" think it brings more opportunities for accidents. The legislation and safety is not as yet keeping up with new invention. (in this case here of inapropiate snooping) Or am I old fashioned? I could go on that drone flyers are up to no good as they no laws have been made for them. We also are getting rising bad reports about Uber drivers where I live.
Technology is only as good as the person operating it. Remember the old computer adage; 'Rubbish in, rubbish out'. p.s what car were you in that was 'driving itself'?
 

guilbert53

master brummie
I'd like to ask though why do we need a HS2 when the lines we have can hardly cope with the normal trains we have.
That is the whole point of HS2, add NEW lines that relieve some of the congestion on the existing lines.

The West Coast main line is crowded with trains so no room to add new routes / stations. A few years ago Virgin wanted to add a new route from Shrewsbury to New Street / London and there was no capacity on the West Coast main line.

Also New St station is full to capacity and they cant add more platforms.

By building a new HS2 TRAIN LINE from London, AND a new HS2 station in Birmingham it frees up capacity on the West Coast line AND at New St station to add more routes and stations.

Most of our train routes in the UK were laid 80 to 100 years ago, we have had very few NEW track laid since WW2.

Some countries have had High Speed lines for decades (Japan built theirs just after WW2 and have continued to improve and adapt it). You can virtually go from one end of Japan to the other on High Speed trains and we are still arguing about a line from London to Birmingham.
 
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