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Help With Rellies Seamans Records

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hi folks found out today that a rellie of mine enos wood served on several ships from 1906 until at least 1919 so during ww1...would like to know if he actually went to sea on any of them during the war...he is down as a stoker..would also like to know if the victory he served on is the one thats in portsmouth docks now..any info given to help me understand the records better would be much appreciated..thanks folks

lyn

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Lyn

Ex-naval people could undoubtedly answer this better than me , but ( extracts from https://www.gwpda.org/naval/rnshore.htm ):

World War One 1914-18
....
The Seaman had to keep up with the weapons and types used so they began training facilities too. The recognised training which was the norm was held in Harbour Hulks moored in the harbour and

usually had a sea going training vessel for practical lessons. The problem being restrictions of space

and siting the training aides!They were sited ashore .Thus the Shore Establishment was started. They retained the original ex-warship hulk for accommodation and had to use the same name so as to comply with the Naval Discipline Act .This was to ensure the local orders could be legally enforced.

By 1914 the U.K had the following 'establishments
....

PORTSMOUTH AREA

Victory ---------------Depot

The Victory was still afloat as a harbour ship until 1922 , when she was moved to dry dock, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_named_HMS_Victory ), and so, as
I understand it, Enos was based ashore, but may have received training aboard the actual ship.
 
thanks mike thats a good start...just looking at the records again..would love to know if the ships enos was on prior to 1914 were sea fairing ships...

there is a second list starting in 1914 that says transferred to RFR portsmouth..what does RFR mean.. does this mean enos was transferred or the ships..so many questions:rolleyes:
 
Lyn - I think RFR is the Royal Fleet Reserve. Not that I understand the significance of that. Some searching suggests that this was for sailors of good conduct who completed their term of service. (In Enos' case 1911). He was then called up in WW1 from the reserve. This is the second lot of service. I would imagine that the ships he was on for a short time were training ships. Longer stays might indicate a move to sea.
 
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Lyn
HMS gladiator seems to be a cruiser that sank in 1908 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Gladiator_(1896))
HMS Cressy was torpedoed and sunk in 1914 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Cressy_(1899) )
HMS Nelson was an old cruiser that was used as a training ship in 1906 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Nelson )
HMS Vulcan was a torpedo boat depot ship in 1907 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vulcan_(1889) )
HMS Orion was an armoured corvette in 1907-8. In 1909 it was renamed HMS Oriontes, presumably because shortly after a battleship of that name was launched
HMS Crescent was a first class cruiser (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Crescent_(1892))
HMS Hecla was a torpedo boat depot ship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hecla )
HMS Blenheim was originally a cruiser, but in 1910-11 it was a destroyer depot ship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Blenheim_(1890)
HMS Sappho was a cruiser, but in WW1 was used as a minelayer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sappho_(1891) )
HMS Research was in WW1 a depot ship for armed trawlers (https://uboat.net/forums/read.php?22,76441,76459 )
HMS Idaho was an armed yacht and also a an auxiliary patrol base at milford haven that closed in october 1919. I think in your case it was probably the base (https://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5137 )
 
thank you janice and mike...im delighted to have found out about enos and very grateful for all the info provided i will still try and find out more...the whole family worked down the mines for most of their lives including enos since the age of 14 but i guess he had had enough of it and decided on a career change...not surprising really when you consider that his younger brother john wood was killed in a mining accident at the age of 13/14..

lyn
 
I wondered if his mine work had anything to do with him becoming a stoker? I expect it was coincidence.
 
pjmburns said:
I wondered if his mine work had anything to do with him becoming a stoker? I expect it was coincidence.
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that crossed my mind too janice...apart from trying to find out more about his years on the ships i would like to find out what happened to him..ie did he marry and have children etc so if have any spare time to help me out on this one i would be grateful...

..here is the transcript of the 1911 not counted them all but there must be at least a couple of hundred others on it...

Name: Enos Wood
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Birth Place: Clowne, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Search Photos: Search for 'Portsmouth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: Royal Sailors Rest, 74 -174 Commercial Road, Buckingham Street, And Chardos Street)
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Stoker R F R
Registration district: Portsmouth
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration district: Portsea and Landport

lyn
 
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I will try - I did find him in 1911 but it was not much help as he had been called up, as I expect you know, and was in a Seaman's hostel in Portsmouth. You would expect it to be straightforward with that first name!! Famous last words.
 
lol janice yes i would have thought it easy....you may have missed my last post...he was on the ships until at least 1921
 
I did just try 1939 register - (don't have access but can do a search on FMP) - quite a few Woods in Clowne but no Enos! He also did not come up anywhere else on that register.
 
oh no here we go again...it was his gt uncle also enos wood who was my bigamist:rolleyes: just going over to ancestry to have a mooch..
 
In the 60s and before there was two HMS Victory in Portsmouth,,,,,one Nelson's HMS Victory ,
the other HMS Victory the shore Establishment, now called HMS Nelson
 
As I understand fromthe references I quote, the shore establishment got its name and was associated with the (then) afloat HMS Victory , which was not put in dry dock till 1922
 
thanks dave and mike...dave if you look on the list of ships enos served on sometimes its says victory and sometimes victory 2...thanks again slowly building up a picture
 
not found anything yet so if anyone could have a look to see if enos maybe emigrated after 1920 i would be grateful..

thanks folks
 
Morning Lyn. Just doing a quick search and - did you know that Enos's brother Alfred was also a sailor? When I search I usually click on siblings and when I did that on Alfred it came up with his record. Sister Zillah seems to have gone to Australia.
Also Victory II seems to have been a different ship - a shore training station.
 
morning janice...lynne webb found on anc...an enos wood b 1887 travelling to queensland australia in 1923 ...i went on anc to have a look to see what other info it contains but i just cant find what lynne found..not very good with the shipping lists etc...

no i didnt know about alfred must go and find his record now to print off...and with sister zillah also going to australia this confirms i have all the right info...

yes i think there were 2 ships called victory that enos was on...

thanks for this janice...

lyn
 
I didn't find a record on Anc for any travel and none comes up on FMP. I can't even find any sailings to Queensland!!
 
how strange that neither of us can find what lynne found on ancestry last night janice..she must let me know what i am doing wrong lol...mike found this entry on FMP though

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The entry I found was apparently on FMP, but did not find it through a search of FMP, but through a google search of immigration to Queensland
 
mikejee said:
The entry I found was apparently on FMP, but did not find it through a search of FMP, but through a google search of immigration to Queensland
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ahh thats explains it then mike...still baffled why none of us can find what lynne found on ancestry she also found a death for enos wood in queensland..b 1886 d 1973...
 
I am also just wondering if Lynne Webb has a "worldwide" sub to Anc and that is why she found the record? I don't as so far I have not needed it.
 
i dont think lynne has the worldwide sub janice...will check with her...have to pop up the shops soon will write up all the info so far when i get back..
 
I don't know about Enos but if you click on Zillah on one of the censuses it will give you lots of Australia Info. There is also a tree - suggestion she married in Scotland and her husband died in 1918. She seems to have emigrated with her children soon after Enos.
 

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