Help With Census Please

[grandaughter82]

Ok so I feel like I'm constantly hitting a brick wall with my dad's side of the family there were too many lies and secrets and it's making research very hard!
My nan had always said her dad was called FRANK and that he was in the royal marines as a sergeant major which she put on her marriage certificate as he had died by the time she was married in 1935. I couldn't find any census record of them living together not even with her mom Elizabeth Ann Hull (yeandle maiden name)
So I purchased her birth certificate as nobody had that or won't show me which ever lol it clearly states Henry Hull I think!
So bit of joy there I found a baptism of my nan in cropthorne dad Henry hull but again can't find any census of them all living together?? and who is this frank person? Lol exhausting.

 

[pjmburns]

First of all it was not uncommon for people to be known by a different name from the one baptised with. So Frank and Henry could be one and the same person. Sometimes they were know by a middle name especially if named after their Father. This avoided confusion if there were two people with the same name in a family. Secondly, I think the dob is 1916 in which case there are no census records - yet. The last published census is 1911. Your only chance is if they were together on the 1939 register (on FMP not Ancestry).

 

[grandaughter82]

ahh thanks ok explains things with the census side of things
The earliest I found is electoral roll of her married living with my grandad 1939 frustrating I have nothing else before that and her the earliest I have of her mom is when she was married to her second husband in 1927.
Trying to find more information on him so I can purchase his date of birth then i can see what his real name is and find out his fathers name

 

[pjmburns]

To clarify - your Nan is Dorothy May Hull born in 1916. Her parents are Elizabeth Yeandle and Henry/Frank Hull. Have you looked for a marriage for them? They should be on the 1911 census either together depending on when they married or separately.

 

[aston lad]

Was Elizabeth and Henry/Frank married ?....

 

[pjmburns]

I had a quick look and then wondered that as well.

 

[aston lad]

I cannot find a marriage for them , people did live together them days as well, my grand dads ex-wife lived with another man and took on his surname without getting married...

 

[pjmburns]

There is a Henry Hull listed as a marine but don't know if the dates fit. Think this would make him a lot older than Elizabeth. The record can be seen here https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7776655 but there is a charge. He seems to have died in 1920 in Aston aged 55 - is this right? I think he had been married before and his wife had died.

 

[aston lad]

Henry Amos Hull born 1865 ..Worcestershire.....

 

[pjmburns]

Yes - it gave his middle name as Amos.Father William and Mother Emma?

 

[aston lad]

He was married before to Helena Yabsley who died in 1913, ....

 

[pjmburns]

Yes - I saw that and they seem to have children. I can't find Henry on the 1911 census so far.

 

[lmr3103]

Ok so I feel like I'm constantly hitting a brick wall with my dad's side of the family there were too many lies and secrets and it's making research very hard!
My nan had always said her dad was called FRANK and that he was in the royal marines as a sergeant major which she put on her marriage certificate as he had died by the time she was married in 1935. I couldn't find any census record of them living together not even with her mom Elizabeth Ann Hull (yeandle maiden name)
So I purchased her birth certificate as nobody had that or won't show me which ever lol it clearly states Henry Hull I think!
So bit of joy there I found a baptism of my nan in cropthorne dad Henry hull but again can't find any census of them all living together?? and who is this frank person? Lol exhausting.

There is a marriage registered in 1896 to Elizabeth Ann Yeandle and Frank Vile. Is this your Frank?
And then Elizabeth A Vile married George J T Sim

 

[lmr3103]

ahh thanks ok explains things with the census side of things
The earliest I found is electoral roll of her married living with my grandad 1939 frustrating I have nothing else before that and her the earliest I have of her mom is when she was married to her second husband in 1927.
Trying to find more information on him so I can purchase his date of birth then i can see what his real name is and find out his fathers name

Ok so I feel like I'm constantly hitting a brick wall with my dad's side of the family there were too many lies and secrets and it's making research very hard!
My nan had always said her dad was called FRANK and that he was in the royal marines as a sergeant major which she put on her marriage certificate as he had died by the time she was married in 1935. I couldn't find any census record of them living together not even with her mom Elizabeth Ann Hull (yeandle maiden name)
So I purchased her birth certificate as nobody had that or won't show me which ever lol it clearly states Henry Hull I think!
So bit of joy there I found a baptism of my nan in cropthorne dad Henry hull but again can't find any census of them all living together?? and who is this frank person? Lol exhausting.

And then Elizabeth A Vile married George J T Simpson in 1924.

 

[aston lad]

I think you have cracked it Lynnrymond.....

 

[lmr3103]

I think you have cracked it Lynnrymond.....

Still a mystery about Henry Hull, Aston lad ?

 

[MWS]

From the above info it would seem that Elizabeth had a relationship/affair with Henry Hull whilst still married.

In 1901 Frank and Elizabeth are together in Taunton. In 1911 Frank is a boarder in London alone, which may or may not be significant.

Frank died in the WWI in 1917.

 

[MWS]

Also if the affair started before 1911 then it could be why they're not on the 1911 census. Can't see Elizabeth or her children either, so could all be under an assumed name or just missing.

 

[pjmburns]

Elizabeth's marriage to Frank Vile

 

[pjmburns]

When Frank Vile died in 1917 his effects went to his son Redvers (listed with Frank and Elizabeth on 1901 census aged 8 mths). Parents are named on the CWGC site "son of Frederick and Eliza of Thurlbear, Taunton and they seem to have chosen the inscription on his grave".
I know this isn't directly relating to Dorothy but it gives a picture of Elizabeth's complicated life.