Details from the baptism record at St Chrysostom Church. Born 22 Aug 1911 and baptised 13 Sept. Address 57 Factory Road, Parents Harry and Phoebe. Occupation Iron Plate worker.
1955 e roll has a Cyril and Kathleen Green listed at 110 Preston Road but in 1950 only Cyril is listed. I should add that the online lists on Ancestry stop in 1955 so I can't check later dates.
I would say Rayne is just a mistake because here is his baptism...
There are many reason's why Alfred isn't listed, he could have been working away, in prison, visiting parents or abandoned the family. Incidentally Naomi's mother isn't there either and is with her sister in law for some reason. Information on a census is for the day of the census only. It wouldn't matter if you were there for the rest of the year if you weren't there on the day of the census you shouldn't be listed.
Some children take there step father's name and some don't, it looks like in this case she did. Not sure what the confusion was with using Payne instead of Lovegrove for marriage & Harry's birth.
I don't think there were any checks on info on birth certificates. I've had illegitimate ancestors listed with no father's name and others with a made up one. It was probably more difficult in a village where most people knew each other.
Both Cyril & Kathleen GREEN at 110 Preston Road in 1957, 1960, 1962 & 1965 with the addition of a Michael CRONIN in 1960 only.
It would appear that Naomi's 'husband' on the 1881 census wasn't really here husband because there's no marriage listed but there is a marriage listed for a Naomi Green & a George Canning Hodges in Bham, Sep qtr 1898 and here she is 1901 with here mother living with a cousin...
And she's turning out to be a bit of a black widow because she marries again to a Thomas Jones, registered West Bromwich, Dec qtr 1909.
The entries are as on the census: Ellen is down as Green with Harry listed as her grandson. Then it has George Murry as a boarder born Clifton, Gloucestershire and Naomi born Bucks, Aylsburry (!). Next to Naomi is simply says "do" (ditto I assume) and wife.On the 1891 census it appears Naomi is listed as the wife of a George Murry. There's a lot of errors for this listing (her mother is listed wrongly as Green). I don't know if these are just transcription errors or wrong on the actual census. The details for George Murry are consistent for those of George Canning Hodges(b185o Bristol) and as he doesn't seem to appear on the 1891 census, I suspect 'George Murry' might be George Canning Hodges.
Wow thank you Bewdley, Ive not managed to find Harrys Father yet because Harry Green is a common name and im not certain where he eas born, I never expected his father to be called Daniel, thats the first time ive heard that name in our family and they seem to reuse the same names.
Naomi was Ellen Montague's illegitimate daughter. I doubt that Charles Payne Lovegrove was the father.
As I said some children assume their step father's name and some don't. I doubt there was any official 'adoption' of the child. It's theoretical I suppose that if the children were very young they might not even know that their father wasn't really their father.