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handsworth and other memories

lavender

knowlegable brummie
I was born in Booth St in 1956. The house was since demolished to make way for the new school on holyhead rd.
My mother was born in the same house and was given it when she married dad. We moved to Alexander Ave not long after.
Dad was 4th generation anglo indian, last of his english born family before him was 1790s in London. He came to England just after independence and lived in a catholic boarding house in the rd opposite the church by handsworth park. My earliest memories are of Handsworth Park, picnics, with a flask of tea and sandwiches by the bandstand and watching dad play tennis, he was pretty good. He worked in a factory in Smethwick that made bikes I believe and won the annual tournament there - he said much to the chagrin of the office wallahs! Sunday afternoons we would walk down to Soho Rd to buy sweets from the shop which I think was called the 99 shop? anyone know? I remember one day walking along Booth Street (we had moved to Alexander Ave then) and seeing what were probably the first Indian immigrants to Handsworth. They were painting the exterior of a house, and I can still remember asking dad why they were wearing pajamas! They were in Indian attire - I got my first lesson in racial relations at that point, he explained to me who they were, why they dressed that way. Then just down the avenue in the adjacent cul de sac the first West Indian family I encountered moved in. They were lovely, I still remember their first names the kids were Anthony and sisters Patsy and Pauline, I wonder whatever happened to them.
We had a polish family down the road, I have no idea how to spell their name - their dad used to talk to us about the salt mines there. We had Irish families too of course. At the top of the gulley that led to Booth Street and at the bottom of the street on Alexander Rd, lived many families that mom and dad did not want us to mix with, they may have created a child that was racially tolerant, but maybe a snooty one too ! Those children were more umkept and appeared to have lots of babies always. As we were older and left to play in the cul de sac, the top of the avenue became our imaginary world. We had a large (seemed at the time) wall that separated the gulley from the avenue and it was our castle, horses, mountains, whatever it needed to be as a backdrop for our adventures after we got back from ABC minor saturday mornings at the pictures down at the Regal. It was 6d for downstairs and 9d for upstairs. We kept the spare 3d and purchased kiora squash or a choc ice. During the film kids would flick triangles of lolly sticks over our heads.
Shopping with mom on Soho Rd was fun, looking at the cakes in the bakery windows, Smiths and Firkins - where we would get cream horns or ice buns or coconut chocolate cakes. The market with veggies set outside and inside it was dark and interesting. I would love to stop and look at the travel agent windows, posters of faraway places - I think I got the nomad bug there, love traveling left England but love to come back still. Sundays if we strolled a longer distance down Soho Rd, early evening in summer, we would pass the Methodist church and it would be spilling out with the bright and colourful Island immigrants and families from Sunday service, they all looked so exotic to me and fascinating. We were most likely on our way to the Gun Barrels or another pub down Soho Rd so dad could have a pint with his pals. We would sit outside with a glass of pop and packet of crisps - it is amazing how the smell of beer still conjures up a good memory feeling for me from those days.
I can remember going to the clinic by Hodgsons funeral home for sweet tasting immunisations. Then there came the Chicken Inn - the smell of chicken from there was heavenly. Funny I dont remember actually eating it though.
As we got older, and had started school - we walked to Woodville School on Holyhead Rd every day - by ourselves - the Chinese takeaway opened. This was great, we were introduced to this food soon, as dad had served in RAF in far east and in India Chinese food was commonplace. We had already got curry in our diets thanks to dad teaching mom, so I believe we were probably one of the first white families in Birmingham to be aware of other ethnic foods. I would love going down to Woolworths and drinking in all the wares on show that we could not afford, but 'window shopped' . I loved that arcade there at the side of woollies I think there was a dance studio there. There was a great fish and chip shop up by the Milestone - also gone I assume for that school. It had a lighthouse in the window. When mom went back to work - at Nortons, then eventually the GPO - where dad went to work also, we had a child minder - what a terror she was. Mrs Aldridge - lived in Alfred Rd - we hated that place. She had a 'stick' in the corner - we had never been hit and it was a scary thing. She had a son that went to Woodville with us. He was overweight and always had dreadful wind - funny how you remember that! We would leave her house walk down Rookery Rd, past the model shop - fascinating place, small inside, tons of boxes of airfix kits. past the Newsagents that became Rhodes' and Keith and Chris Rhodes eventually went to Woodville too.
Then up Regent Rd, to Sandwell, over and through the wreck of the Albion Cinema and up to Woodville. this was less than a mile but fraught with distractions. The 'duck egg' island in the middle of Rgent and Westbourne rds, the easily accessible cinema and endless trees to mess with. Being in the private school brown uniforms - poo clothes the rookery rd kids would refer to it as, we were targets, so moving in a pack of half a dozen was a good thing.
We all got collared one day by Miss Parker our head mistress as we were playing in the cinema and got nabbed by a teacher. We got roasted and for the next few weeks were frogmarched past the cinema and crossed over the Sandwell Rd by Miss Parker resplendent in her fox fur coat with legs and tails hanging off it! School was very disciplined for us, but we liked it well enough. It was small and cozy and I returned there after leaving for KEGS to help out in holidays and she paid me my first paycheck which was about eight pounds ! Summer holidays were a pleasure when we werent stuck at the Aldridge house, where meals were dreadful and we looked forward to monday - soup and lemon top cakes - the rest of the stuff was awful, gristly meat, which we conveniently fed to her dog under the table, odd tasting shepherds pie. We had to sit in this little room, where we ate food too, were allowed out in the yard - tiny with outdoor toilet, and no greenery, not allowed in front room and I have hated linoleum since that time. They had older children, one was married - prob very young with children, and suddenly the younger girl, who was at the school in church lane, one day was coming home with basket from cookery class and next day was getting married and pregnant! Those days when we did not have to be with the childminder we ran from Alexander Ave, down to 'trainspot' at Smethwick/handsworth station and go to blackpatch park. Past the woodyard and down that huge hill by Rugby Portland Cement works. We would be gone for hours and no one would worry. We were instructed at an early age to avoid strangers and so we avoided the guy who constantly hung around the public mens urinal by the train bridge, and avoided the folks who offered us sweets, though I'm sure many were harmless enough, we kept away from the strange man in Handsworth Park who wanted to show us something interesting, so thankfully I am here to tell the tale. At some point a local priest must have harassed mom and dad about us not having our first holy communion, so we were packed off to 'instructions' which we hated, but the best thing was when we went to church services, they gave us pennies for the collection. Naturally we kept them and spent them over the road in the corner shop where the Irish owner served lemonade in a cup for a penny. Clearly she knew we all did that and profited from it royally. Our lst Holy Communion was taken at St Augustines and the best thing about it all, was the huge breakfast we enjoyed after. I took my 11 plus at rookery rd school, where I met my lifelong friend Jane, who was a student there. We both went to KEGS in Rosehill Rd and keep in touch these 40 plus years on. For some reason, being catholic excluded me from RE lessons, so I got to hang out in the library for 3 periods a week, doing very little. I loved being at KEGS, it was comfortable, old fashioned I suppose, and though I was not the most avid student, it was a good education. I saw through loss of milk bottles, moving to vending machines and decimalisaion during that time. I took my first foreign holidays at school, to Italy, France and Switzerland, then later Sweden on exchanges. As we got older our social life changed of course, gone were the days of prowling streets to see famous acts arrive at the Plaza, go swimming at Handsworth baths, enjoying hot malted milk after with potato puffs, messing around in handsworth park playing kiss chase, or occasionally when we had enough money, pitch and put at the Island Rd golf course, and a carton of strawberry or chocolate milk from the milk machine by Handsworth Dairies on the way home, stopping long enough by J BWoodwards to harass their goat. The gunsite and wasson pool were intriguing places to head for when time and weather allowed too. We had moved to Albion Rd and I worked in Greens on the corner for a while, then in a hairdressers just off Holyhead Rd in Station Rd, Maison Bonne - dreadful place, dripping with damp, where I washed about 30 heads a day, made drinks for the blue rinses and got one pound fifty for the trouble. This I doubled in tips and then enjoyed the same lunch every saturday from Baines, sausage roll, fresh cream trifle and packet of chicken crisps - ha could not eat that now! I had to wash all the towels and dry them at the launderette. I was always embarrassed to do this - the washing - this is what happens when you lived with a dad who had servants :) I'm a genius at folding towels today because of it though. Boys, drinking and pubs came along. After Albion Rd, mom and dad came up in the world and moved to the hill on Sandwell Rd, we had a 4 bedroom house! First time ever I had my own space. I would spend many long hours at Janes house in Bush Grove, we would sit in the garden, flirt with boys on the No 4 tee at the pitch and putt that abutted her property and drink sweet martini purchased with ease, from the outdoor at the bottom of sandwell hill - at the tender age of 15. Evenings we would go to the Uplands where the 'major' was the licensee. He didn't care if we were underage, we drank contendedly and with restraint generally on vodka and limes or sweet martini and lemonades or even cocacola if we were broke. The jukebox was our entertainment, and we seemed to be ok with that. Eventually 'town' kicked in and nightclubs and everyone started moving off in different directions. I left KEGS and unless you wanted to go onto college - I did not - I was advised to go to secretarial school. Good Old Miss Parker from Woodville recommended Mildred Berry Secretarial School, in Cannon St by the Parisienne, so there I went for six long months learning shorthand and typing. I still lived in Handsworth when I got my first job, I was temping at Wellman Incandescent for the sales manager's office, they sold cremating ovens to china amongst other things. Then after a few temping jobs I got a role at Deritend Electrical in Aston. I was here for a number of years, met a guy, bought a house, lived in Westbourne Rd for a while, til we parted. Eventually I moved to a job in Birmingham City Centre at the Grand Hotel, that was the start of many very happy and fun years working in the hotel industry. I stayed in Birmingham til after we married, living always close to Handsworth, my first own home was a flat in Hamstead Hall Rd.
I worked at The Royal Angus, The West Brom Moat House, the Strathallan and my last hotel in Birmingham was as the Sales Manager when New Hall opened in the late 80s. Eventually I married and we lived for a while at a Bournville Village Trust community where my husband worked, then opened day nurseries in West Bromwich and finally moved to the USA in 1999. My parents now in late 80s still live in Handsworth Wood, and I recently took the children on a tour of the old places, we walked down Soho Rd., visited King Edwards and drove the streets of Handsworth. Now very different, but still much is the same.
 
that's what happens when you are sitting in an hotel room waiting for hubbie to finish at a conference LOL
thank you
 
A great description of lovely memories thanks for sharing them.
 
Lavender I was born in Soho road 1938 opposite the Regal moved to 22a Booth street (bombed WW2) opposite my Aunt Nance (Melhuish) evacuated to South Milford Yorkshire, that's how I came to live in Aston, would your Mom knows the Melhuish's Uncle Ernie was a taxi owner. Small world.
 
Lavenda I lived with my inlaws when we got married, they lived at the top of Sandwell rd the house before the bunglow on the left as you went up the hill their name was Dalton they were builders and their yard was in Factory rd
 
I see you have an interest in Strouds. I am friends with Strouds (from england way back) in St Petersburg FL
wonder if they are related?
My Aunt married Albert Stroud of Trinity Road Aston. Sadly they divorced and we lost contact with her son Leslie Stroud my cousin. I am pleased to say because of this site I am now in contact with Leslie's daughters who are in the UK.

Sorry to drift off thread.
 
Lavender, it was lovely hearing your Soho Road memories - I lived just off Soho Road for four years from 1960 - 1964, so I remember all the shops, etc you mention. One cake shop you forgot was Robinsons, near to Woolworths, their pineapple tarts were just the best! There was Darlingtons the stationers near to Boulton Road and The Little Red Shop - I wonder if you knew these too, and also Stoddards the butchers and also Wilkinsons, which I believe was the start of the chain now known freqentiy as Wilko? Both my sister and brother went to Woodville School, my sister probably only went for about a year, my brother went for longer, but he was only very small at the time. Both now live in America - do you think it has something to do with Woodville? (giggle here). My mother in law also has a house in Handsworth Wood, just off West Avenue, although as she is now in a home, it is up for sale. Thanks for the trip down memory lane, a really good journey.

Shortie
 
Hi Lavender, what a good memory you have which has reminded me of many things, I was born in Hansworth in 1956 and lived there until 1968, I was born in Booth St, sadley it looks like our house has gone and a football pitch is in its place, we used to cross over and come down to play in the cul-de-sac in alexander avenue, on the way down it was open un-used land on one side there were some garages which residents could rent I think, we used to love playing there, one night we were all playing at the garages throwing stones to see who could get them over the roof of the garages when a very angry man came round to say we had smashed nearly all the windows in his green house, he marched us back up the hill to tell our parents. We lived in Booth street with the laundry behind us, we used to climb over the wall from our garden and play in the grounds, there used to be high piles of coal which we used to climb up and slide back down and I dont ever remember my mom telling us off for going home covered in coal dusk as black as the grate. We used to go to the Handsworth social club evey Friday and Saturday night playing hide and seek amongst the cars on the car park or down the bowling green. I looked forward to friday when my dad came home from work and gave me some money for sweets, so I used to run down to Batchelors sweet shop and ask for the penny tray to buy what seemed loads of sweets. I am sad I dont have many photos of the good old days in Handsworth, especially my old house. Good memories though.
 
Lavenda I lived with my inlaws when we got married, they lived at the top of Sandwell rd the house before the bunglow on the left as you went up the hill their name was Dalton they were builders and their yard was in Factory rd

We lived next door! I knew the Dalton boys, which one did you marry? We lived in the house one below.
 
Lavender I was born in Soho road 1938 opposite the Regal moved to 22a Booth street (bombed WW2) opposite my Aunt Nance (Melhuish) evacuated to South Milford Yorkshire, that's how I came to live in Aston, would your Mom knows the Melhuish's Uncle Ernie was a taxi owner. Small world.


I will ask mom when I talk to her later.
 
Dont try to convince me that Africa is the cradle of civilisation, LOL, clearly it's handsworth! I do remember the shops, loved the little red shop, it had a smell all of its own when you went inside. Also I do know that Wilkinsons was the start of Wilko, well I heard that story too. Darlingtons was where we purchased our drawing books from to do our school projects for woodville and I think I even remember the pineapple tarts too.Didn't darlingtons do travel too? Then there was Flights Coaches. Remember when an Indian gentleman opened a travel agency down soho rd by the library - Moti Lal Balu? Is it still there? Where do your sis and brother live? This is so much fun visiting back in time, who needs Dr Who?
 
I'm sure we must have tangled with your gang from time to time LOL View attachment 68064 Sheila this is me and my brother in the garden at Alexander Ave and this was the 'wall' in question to the right. As it was our house next to it, assuming it was my dad that took you all home, I do remember the broken greenhouse, will examine photo more and see if I can see it clearly!
 
View attachment 68067 looking up the 'gully'
towards Booth St, Paul and Stephen Green are front and centre, were sons of Jewellers, and I believe still do have a place in jewellery quarter, if you boys are ever on here say hello!
 
What brilliant photo's lavender so much 'of the time' what fun we had as kids.....as you said who need xbox.....thanks for posting them for us all to enjoy!
 
lovely photo's lavender, they are from my time frame when I would go to my nanna's in vicarge road off the soho road, and my cousins and me would play on the railway embankment, and sit for hours watching the trains go by from hockley.
paul
 
imagine doing that today, stepping over syringes, being chased off for being too close to the railway lines, LOL simpler times.
 
View attachment 68070
Hi Lavender, what a good memory you have which has reminded me of many things, I was born in Hansworth in 1956 and lived there until 1968, I was born in Booth St, sadley it looks like our house has gone and a football pitch is in its place, we used to cross over and come down to play in the cul-de-sac in alexander avenue, on the way down it was open un-used land on one side there were some garages which residents could rent I think, we used to love playing there, one night we were all playing at the garages throwing stones to see who could get them over the roof of the garages when a very angry man came round to say we had smashed nearly all the windows in his green house, he marched us back up the hill to tell our parents. We lived in Booth street with the laundry behind us, we used to climb over the wall from our garden and play in the grounds, there used to be high piles of coal which we used to climb up and slide back down and I dont ever remember my mom telling us off for going home covered in coal dusk as black as the grate. We used to go to the Handsworth social club evey Friday and Saturday night playing hide and seek amongst the cars on the car park or down the bowling green. I looked forward to friday when my dad came home from work and gave me some money for sweets, so I used to run down to Batchelors sweet shop and ask for the penny tray to buy what seemed loads of sweets. I am sad I dont have many photos of the good old days in Handsworth, especially my old house. Good memories though.

Here is 24 Booth St where I was born, those are my gggparents on doorstep. Does that remind you of your house?
 
Just checking,when you mention woodville road school,there was a school down wattville road called wattville road school,i wondered if it was that one
 
Alan, it was not Woodville Road School, it was Woodville School. On Hollyhead Road, Woodville was a small private school, near enough opposite James Road if I remember rightly.
 
Thanks Shortie, Cannot place the school (Woodville) Bolton Road and Rookery Road I attended in the 40s and 50s, where was James Road ?
 
Well, I have had to look at my A-Z for this, and I think I meant Clarence Road (St James Road is there too, but not the one I meant). Woodville was a private house which became a school, it did not look like a school building. If you are standing at the New Inns, with your back towards Soho Road, so you are looking towards West Brom, Woodville was on the right hand side a hudred or so yards up, going away from Handsworth. From Crocketts Road there are three roads on the left, Station Road, Woodland Road and Clarence Road, going towards the boundary. I think Woodville was about in the middle, but on the opposite side of the road.
 
Sorry forgot attachments.

1 and 2 New Inns. 1st one dated 1901
3 Soho Road showing Boulton Road to the right hand side
4. Regal Cinema
 
Heres another old photo of Soho Road at the early part of 20th century. Its looking towards town with the council offices on the left.
 
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