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Gower Street Boys School

Astoness

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Hi Lyn you must be up bright and early.
It is 5:17 pm here in New Zealand.
Thank you for the map!
I am afraid you are incorrect about the school being on Gower Street. The map doesn't tell you that Gower Street finishes on Guilford Street and the Annex was on the corner of Clifford Walk and Guilford Street as shown on the map.

I was using Google maps an was looking at the new school without realizing it was a few years old. How times change!

I am a little vague on Mark. It sounds as if he would have been in my year and I have a pretty good memory. Maybe he was in a different stream. As I said my classroom was in the main building. Perhaps his was in the Annex building.

Also, Do you remember Carol? Can't think of her surname. She was in the chess team. Gower Boys played at Lozells Girls School (organized by Mr. Philips). I was on board one playing Carol. We already knew each other socially.
She gave me a good game.

I have already sent this one already; but I have edited it. I was relying on nearly forty years of memory for the exact position. We often had to walk from one building to the next and I really didn't think it was that far away. :)

Emigrated from the UK in 1995. I didn't really live locally. I lived in Tower Road, Aston; only part of which still exists today. I heard lots of bad stuff about Upper Thomas Street School from lads in my street and decided to give it a miss.

John.
hi john always up early. if the school showing on the old map on the corner of gower st and guildford st was not part of gower st school then maybe someone with more knowledge and a longer memory than i have could tell us the name of it...for years i thought it was connecte to gower st school..gower st started at berners st and ended at william st

sorry i dont recall a carol at lozells girls think she was younger than me i was born in 53..as you can see gower st school on the corner of guildford st and lozells road is still standing although the caretakers house next door was demolished about 6 years ago..i took photos of it before demo..we also have a thread for gower st with old photos on it if you are interested

i think we have a thread for tower road with a few pre demo photos...just use the search engine top right of the main page...if you can give me your surname i will ask our mark if he recalls you..ido have this info about gower st school which was formed in 1862

Gower Street School (apparently undenominational) was established in 1862 in a temporary building, but a new building opened in the same year. By 1876 the school apparently included a separate Infants Department when it was transferred to Aston School Board. It was enlarged for three departments in 1877-78 for boys, girls and infants; a new junior mixed block opened in 1886. The school was reorganised in 1931 into three departments for senior boys, junior mixed and infants. The Infant Department closed in 1938. Enemy action in 1940 destroyed the junior block and this department was housed in the former Alma Street School until 1945 when it closed. In 1945 the Senior Boys Department became a separate school.


lyn
 
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John_Gower_Street_pupil

master brummie
hi john always up early. if the school showing on the old map on the corner of gower st and guildford st was not part of gower st school then maybe someone with more knowledge and a longer memory than i have could tell us the name of it...for years i thought it was connecte to gower st school..gower st started at berners st and ended at william st

sorry i dont recall a carol at lozells girls think she was younger than me i was born in 53..as you can see gower st school on the corner of guildford st and lozells road is still standing although the caretakers house next door was demolished about 6 years ago..i took photos of it before demo..we also have a thread for gower st with old photos on it if you are interested

i think we have a thread for tower road with a few pre demo photos...just use the search engine top right of the main page...if you can give me your surname i will ask our mark if he recalls you..ido have this info about gower st school which was formed in 1862

Gower Street School (apparently undenominational) was established in 1862 in a temporary building, but a new building opened in the same year. By 1876 the school apparently included a separate Infants Department when it was transferred to Aston School Board. It was enlarged for three departments in 1877-78 for boys, girls and infants; a new junior mixed block opened in 1886. The school was reorganised in 1931 into three departments for senior boys, junior mixed and infants. The Infant Department closed in 1938. Enemy action in 1940 destroyed the junior block and this department was housed in the former Alma Street School until 1945 when it closed. In 1945 the Senior Boys Department became a separate school.


lyn
Thanks Lyn

The school showing on the map is Gower Street Boys and the one I refer to as the Annex building (Mr. Philips always referred to it as such). What I am saying is that the map you so kindly sent me, with the blue dot function, does not show the change of street name as Clifford Walk, instead it suggests that Gower Street continues straight through.

Perhaps Clifford Walk took over part of Gower Street at a later time. That would make more sense. The map I attached, with the three red concentric circles, clearly shows Clifford Walk and that is how I remember it when I went there.

The history is fascinating. I thank you for that. As a student we spent time in all three buildings. My positioning of the Lozells Road premises is approximate; but I distinctly remember using a pelican crossing every time we used this place. And I know it was very near to the church.

I don't wish to cause you work; but it would have been nice to know what buildings they were referring to in your last paragraph.

I shall certainly check out Tower Road; I used to live at the back of the Egg factory (No. 67).

John
 
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Astoness

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ahh right i understand what you mean now john...i agree it would be interesting to find out what buildings they were that is mentioned in my info..below is a streeview of your old school...still being used...if you have any problems locating anything on the forum please get back to me

lyn


 

Astoness

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john in case you have not found it here is the link to the tower road thread

lyn
 

John_Gower_Street_pupil

master brummie
Hi Lyn

I gave the Tower Road thing a whirl. Didn't find what I was looking for; but I was able to help a couple of people out. One on this site and one on another similar site. Birmingham Forum I think it is called. Both after photos of their relatives shops.
One of them was misinformed thinking it was a sweet shop and the other looking for a picture of her nan's outdoor; both in Tower Road.

Both places came back to me instantly. Isn't it strange how the brain holds memories that you had almost forgotten you had? I was able to paint a verbal picture of the outdoor; although it might have been completely useless if she already knew what it looked like. :)

Thanks for the link to the school; I have enough pictures of that one. I'm wanting some of the other two buildings.
Of course if photography had been around fifty years earlier than it was I might have been lucky.

You mentioned the caretaker's house. I'd appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction on that.
 

Astoness

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hi john noticed you had posted on the tower road outdoor thread but did you also find the tower road thread with photos on it?

yes photos of the other school buildings are non existent at the min but fingers crossed some may turn up...

the photos i took of the caretakers house are stored on my desk top so if i can find them later i will post for you..but for now here is a 2008 street view of it..now demolished and houses built on the ground

 

Astoness

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right john go back to the tower road thread and let me know on that thread the numbers of the posts where photos have been posted but you cant view them...it could be that if they are ones posted before sept 2010 they were lost when the forum was hacked and we lost over 66000 images...since then our members have tried to repost them but of course this depends on whether original posters are still alive or indeed still members...

lyn
 

John_Gower_Street_pupil

master brummie
Hi

Well I did it!… And it worked! I slept on it… A bed you might ask?. Well …Yeeeessss.

Whatever it was... I slept on it... And a few things came flooding back.

Here in ‘the land of the great white cloud’ (Aotearoa in Maori) it is morning; and whilst things are fresh in my mind...

Stephen Hinds was another student I remember and John ‘Archie’ Archibald was another. He shared his birthday with yours truly and that unnerved me a tad. He was tall and I wasn’t. He was somewhat of a scatterbrain; sorry John that was my impression.
At that time I had a keen interest in Astrology and he was nothing like me despite sharing my birthday. Later in life I understood why... I digress!

I think the 'Woody' I referred to, in an earlier post, was Steven Wood. He lived in Lozells.

Then there was my year two form teacher, if you are older than me you wouldn’t know him. His name was... And you will have to forgive me for this, I could hardly pronounce his name back then, never mind spell it… Mr. Beswetherick. I am almost certain I got that wrong; I think there’s a ‘z’ and/or a ‘y’ in there somewhere. He was a giant of a man from Canada. Probably six foot fifteen inches. Boy was he fast on the football field.

Then there was my Art teacher Mr. Price. He was a Beatle nut. I understand the correct term should be Beatlemania(c).
He had collages on the classroom walls; one was of ‘Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds’. He used it as an excuse to play the song in class. ‘Yellow Submarine’ was another. But he was a good teacher as far as I can remember.

He recognized my talent from the get go. One of our classmates (can’t remember who it was now) was clad in only his shorts and modelled for us on top of a couple of desks. Whilst everyone else was sketching side on, left or right, he had me sketch him head on. With his legs stretched out in front; I had the foreshortened view to contend with.

My strongest subjects were Mathematics, Art and Technical Drawing. The latter was taught by Mr. Neville. We used to get reprimanded if we called the straight edge a ‘ruler’. ‘That’s the Queen of England’ he said. It is called a ‘rule’. That always stuck in my mind ever since.

I had a very traumatic upbringing, which I feel is beyond discussion here, but Mr. Phillips saw fit to take my brother and I out of class and whisk us away for a two week holiday at the Rotary Boys Home in Weston-Super-Mare. I told my Canadian form teacher before I went; but he marked me absent every day I was gone. On my return he asked me why I hadn’t been at school.
I explained that he already knew where I had been and I was peeved. Throughout my entire schooling I had never missed a day at school. There went my one-hundred per cent attendance record.

Just before I finished for the night yesterday I saw a post by a guest (Maxwell Bullivant).

I suspect I would not be able to make contact with him as he is not a member. Anyway, it was with regard to ‘Wally Eyton’. Unless the fearful teacher did this on a regular basis; I think ‘Max’ would have been one of my classmates.
I distinctly remember, on the first day of year three, someone being expelled from school. Mr. Eyton was late for class, which was unheard of in the annals of all history books. When he did walk into the classroom you could hear a pin drop. At that time we were all very aware of his reputation.

I never did find out who it was or why he was expelled but we heard the student was now attending the Harry Lucas School.
 
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John_Gower_Street_pupil

master brummie
dont worry john a tad off topic is allowed..actually i was talking to george just the other day..hope you enjoy the forum john there is plenty to read about..oh my brother also went to gower st school but he would have started there round about the time you left..i may have one or two photos of new st but if you are interested i have posted quite a lot of gerrard st prior to demo under the gerrard st thread

lyn
Hi Lyn

You are not referring to New Street, city centre by any chance?
I do seem to remember another very small road with that name; was it just off Hockley Circus? Google maps have quite a few unnamed streets these days.

Anyway, I am on the lookout for photos of the top end of New Street Birmingham showing 'Bogarts' in the 70s in particular.
There is very little in the way of pictures on the net. I have one from '78 but the angle is too acute.
 

Astoness

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hi john no not new st city centre but new st aston which was to the left of the bartons arms pub..put bogarts into the search box i think there could be one or two photos

lyn
 
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