Farm Street Hockley

[DawnASR]

dawn its no trouble especially as this is my neck of the woods and i have done much research on the area over the years..dont have so much spare time these days but i shall make it a mission now to find out what i can about the history of friends hall and the adult classes..somewhere in the back of my mind i think they may have started in an old pub in hospital st in the 1800s but give me some time to look through my old end folders which is full of my research

lyn

Lyn
Thank you. I know that the adult school class relating to Farm street (using the same structure as the earlier classes of Severn Street) started in 1862 at the Peoples Chapel in Great Kings Street, Hockley. As it grew it then moved to the Farm Street Board Schools and then to Burbury Street Schools when they were built. Their final place was the Friends Hall, once built between 1892-1894, for their use. It was around this time and into the early 1900s that I believe my paternal great grandfather and his sons attended this class. I am looking into the archives in Birmingham Library also. This is all so fascinating and borne out of a request to write the stories of the last few living members of the midlands adult school.
Thanks again
Dawn

 

[Astoness]

dawn i thought i was right friends hall replaced the adult school which was set up at the prince of wales pub in hospital st..nice to know my memory is not that bad ...click on the link below it will take you to the hospital st thread...read from post 248 to 256 i think you will find this of great interest and there are some fab photos of the men at work as well..there should also be at least one photo of the peoples chapel on the great king street thread

https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/hospital-street.18334/page-13

 

[DawnASR]

dawn i thought i was right friends hall replaced the adult school which was set up at the prince of wales pub in hospital st..nice to know my memory is not that bad ...click on the link below it will take you to the hospital st thread...read from post 248 to 256 i think you will find this of great interest and there are some fab photos of the men at work as well..there should also be at least one photo of the peoples chapel on the great king street thread

https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/hospital-street.18334/page-13

That's a fascinating read Lyn thank you. I know of a few pubs where the Adult School set up in Birmingham the Beehive on Bishopsgate street was one. I think that hospital street class must have been set up sometime alongside the one running at Farm Street Friends Hall.
Thanks again
Dawn

 

[Astoness]

happy to help dawn

lyn

 

[trevor bow]

Hi viveine
I do believe it was some sort of a meting place for some kind of religion in its early years
but excactly what early period i cannot say, but if my memory serves me correctly
during the possiblitity of forty period it may have been open then as as a big building and drainage company
but i do know if i am correct during the fiftys and sixty it was a huge building and drainage compay
whom sold building materials and mainly toilets of every discription you can think of
and i truly beleive it was a company called Broughtons as i recall farm street where the number eight bus
turns to go to the old Hockley brook and the period when the copper stood in the middle of the junction in his white mack
best wishes,, Alan,,,, Astonian,,,,

Hi Alan,

The building, which is now a dentists, was a doctor's surgery from possibly before WWII. I was born just around the corner in Bridge St West, and posted an article about it on the 'Harry Lucas School (HLS)" thread. It's post number 311.

All the best,

Trevor.

 

[Lily_Mae]

Hello all

I had direct ancestors living at 12/64 Ct Farm Street in 1906...the name of Hudson.

I had direct family also Hudson who lived in heaton street. Not some across a farm street connection yet. 1898-1920 ish. Also Barr street where my grandmother lived with her family.

 

[carolina]

I had direct family also Hudson who lived in heaton street. Not some across a farm street connection yet. 1898-1920 ish. Also Barr street where my grandmother lived with her family.

Would that have anything to do with Hudsons butchers on The Flat?

 

[Lily_Mae]

Don’t think any of my lot were in that trade. They were mainly in the brass industry and the like, sorry.

 

[Lily_Mae]

Lots of christenings at all saints hockley

 

[Lily_Mae]

Would that have anything to do with Hudsons butchers on The Flat?

Carolina

Found the following in the Baptism record for All Saints Hockley if you are interested/.

Dec 31 1899 - baptism of Arthur Henry Hudson, born 8/12/1899 son of Arthur William and Rosa Hudson - of 19 Lodge Road. Occupation Butcher.

 

[carolina]

Carolina

Found the following in the Baptism record for All Saints Hockley if you are interested/.

Dec 31 1899 - baptism of Arthur Henry Hudson, born 8/12/1899 son of Arthur William and Rosa Hudson - of 19 Lodge Road. Occupation Butcher.

Lily-Mae - Yes I remember his shop on The Flat and Mrs Hudson had a little shop there also. Their son John went to All Saints School

 

[chrisy3]

I had direct family also Hudson who lived in heaton street. Not some across a farm street connection yet. 1898-1920 ish. Also Barr street where my grandmother lived with her family.

I had Smiths at 145 Farm Street about 1926, my uncle Howard Reeves remember visiting his grandmother there when he was very small.

 

[Plymouth Blossom]

Any maps around 1879 at this end of Farm Strret?

 

[mikejee]

Below is a map c 1889 (probably nearer 1885) showing area around no 13 Farm St. No 13 in red.

 

[Barr_Beacon]

Apologies if this photograph is already on the forum (I have searched the Farm St thread and could not find it) but I think it is worth posting:

Villa Street - Farm Street Hockley Birmingham - The White Swan 1964

 

[Astoness]

hi BB very good chance i posted this one on the villa st thread but no matter as it needed to be on this thread anyway and it is better to have them twice than not all all so thanks...ps the bucket and ladders you see in the photo are most likely our dads and again most likely he was inside the white swan having a pint

lyn

 

[Barr_Beacon]

hi BB very good chance i posted this one on the villa st thread but no matter as it needed to be on this thread anyway and it is better to have them twice than not all all so thanks...ps the bucket and ladders you see in the photo are most likely our dads and again most likely he was inside the white swan having a pint

lyn

Crikey Lyn, I didn't notice the ladders on the right!

 

[Astoness]

yes BB bucket in villa st and ladders in farm st

 

[trevor bow]

Apologies if this photograph is already on the forum (I have searched the Farm St thread and could not find it) but I think it is worth posting:

Villa Street - Farm Street Hockley Birmingham - The White Swan 1964

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I've never seen this photo of the White Swan before. It was the local of my uncle, Stan Wheeler, who live almost opposite in Farm St (5/56 up an entry). Does anyone remember a small grocery shop, again almost opposite in Farm St, run by two ladies known as the 'Grindrods' ?

 

[m j kelly]

I've never seen this photo of the White Swan before. It was the local of my uncle, Stan Wheeler, who live almost opposite in Farm St (5/56 up an entry). Does anyone remember a small grocery shop, again almost opposite in Farm St, run by two ladies known as the 'Grindrods' ?

hi my wife Pauline greening used to live at no 55 and remembers playing with two lads named wheeler one of which was called tuppence her house was next to grind rods shop

 

[trevor bow]

hi my wife Pauline greening used to live at no 55 and remembers playing with two lads named wheeler one of which was called tuppence her house was next to grind rods shop

Hi m j,
That's quite incredible. The two lads you refer to are Raymond and Graham Wheeler - my cousins ! Graham was nicknamed "tuppence" although I can't remember why. Ray was exactly the same age as me give a month, and Graham was the same age as my younger brother Derek, who was two years younger than me.
We lived just around the corner in Bridge St West next to St Saviours Church and we played together all the time, sometimes having sleep overs at each others houses.
When I was 8, our family moved to Northfield but both our families used to meet up as often as possible. Raymond and Graham and their parents Stan and Elsie stayed in the area and moved into a new tower block called I think 'Rea Tower'. All the old houses were demolished around 1964/65 and eventually everyone was rehoused in other new tower blocks and houses.
Sadly, Graham - tuppence - died a few years ago at the age of about 65. He is survived by his wife and two grown up daughters.

 

[mdaniels]

Hi all, I know that it has been a little while since anything was posted on this forum but I wanted to make an enquiry with those of you who lived in Farm Street between 1955 and 1965. Are any of you aware of, or remember, Tony and Peggy who I believe ran a Café on Farm Street itself?

If anyone has any information about this I would really appreciate you getting in touch with me privately or replying to the thread. Many thanks.

 

[Rombalds]

Carolina

Found the following in the Baptism record for All Saints Hockley if you are interested/.

Dec 31 1899 - baptism of Arthur Henry Hudson, born 8/12/1899 son of Arthur William and Rosa Hudson - of 19 Lodge Road. Occupation Butcher.

My name is William Hudson and I live in Austin, Texas. I am related to the Hudsons, butchers of Lodge Road. Their pedigree looks like this:

John William HUDSON ( b. 1946), m. Margaret Clements > Arthur Henry HUDSON (b. 1899), m. Lilian HACKETT > Arthur William HUDSON (b. 1867), m. Rose Lydia WILKINS and then on back to the Hudsons of Birdingbury, near Leamington Hastings.

Back when I was doing our genealogy in the 1970s, I was able to talk to Lilian Hudson (née Hacket). I understand that John and Margaret had a daughter, Lynn, born in 1968. I would love to get in touch with both John, if he is still around, and with Lynn.

Naturally, if you are not comfortable sharing their contact info. then at least you could pass my email on to them: [email protected]

 

[carolina]

My name is William Hudson and I live in Austin, Texas. I am related to the Hudsons, butchers of Lodge Road. Their pedigree looks like this:

John William HUDSON ( b. 1946), m. Margaret Clements > Arthur Henry HUDSON (b. 1899), m. Lilian HACKETT > Arthur William HUDSON (b. 1867), m. Rose Lydia WILKINS and then on back to the Hudsons of Birdingbury, near Leamington Hastings.

Back when I was doing our genealogy in the 1970s, I was able to talk to Lilian Hudson (née Hacket). I understand that John and Margaret had a daughter, Lynn, born in 1968. I would love to get in touch with both John, if he is still around, and with Lynn.

Naturally, if you are not comfortable sharing their contact info. then at least you could pass my email on to them: [email protected]

Sorry I cant help as I havent had any contact with John for many years. I know that Lynn married someone called Yeomans if thats any help.

 

[Rombalds]

Thanks so much. I have messaged her via Facebook.

 

[Astoness]

My name is William Hudson and I live in Austin, Texas. I am related to the Hudsons, butchers of Lodge Road. Their pedigree looks like this:

John William HUDSON ( b. 1946), m. Margaret Clements > Arthur Henry HUDSON (b. 1899), m. Lilian HACKETT > Arthur William HUDSON (b. 1867), m. Rose Lydia WILKINS and then on back to the Hudsons of Birdingbury, near Leamington Hastings.

Back when I was doing our genealogy in the 1970s, I was able to talk to Lilian Hudson (née Hacket). I understand that John and Margaret had a daughter, Lynn, born in 1968. I would love to get in touch with both John, if he is still around, and with Lynn.

Naturally, if you are not comfortable sharing their contact info. then at least you could pass my email on to them: [email protected]

hi if you are interested we have a thread for lodge road with a few photos on it...hudsons the butchers is mentioned...click on link below

lyn

Lodge Rd Hockley (the Flat)

Hi Folks, did anyone dine at the Milk Bar on the Flat in the 50s? I don't think I did, probably because I only lived 5-10 minutes walk from there; I'm guessing they did a mean faggots and peas. Ignoring an al fresco bag of chips from the Key Hill Chippy, I think my first experience of dining out...

birminghamhistory.co.uk

 

[Rombalds]

hi if you are interested we have a thread for lodge road with a few photos on it...hudsons the butchers is mentioned...click on link below

lyn

Lodge Rd Hockley (the Flat)

Hi Folks, did anyone dine at the Milk Bar on the Flat in the 50s? I don't think I did, probably because I only lived 5-10 minutes walk from there; I'm guessing they did a mean faggots and peas. Ignoring an al fresco bag of chips from the Key Hill Chippy, I think my first experience of dining out...

birminghamhistory.co.uk

Thanks again.

 

[Nick Shortt]

I think my ancestors owned the fish and chip shop on 253 farm st. I have some documents regarding the sale

 

[alistairpitt]

Hi. New to the forum and I've found it really interesting to read about a street that has lost so much of its original character. I know that my Great Great Great Grandparents were among the first proprietors of the Queen's Head, 381 Farm Street. William Watson (born 1821, by trade an electro-plater/ Silversmith) and his wife Mary Ann nee Linforth, (1823-1858). At the time they ran the place, it was called the "Castle Inn". I know that they were there on the 1851 census and until 1858 - by 1861 Thomas and Elizabeth Mountford were in charge and had re-named it the "Queen's Arms" - her Head must have taken over later.

Does anybody remember drinking at the pub? What was it like inside? What sort of pub was it? I've been trying to imagine it!
They had one son, William Henry Watson, born in 1842 in Clerkenwell - died 1909 (I don't think they lived in London for long). He married a Farm Street girl - Mary Ann Lichfield, daughter of Charles Lichfield and Mary nee Evans - a pork butcher. The Lichfields were at Number 28 in 1851, Number 395 in 1861 and moved around the corner to 232 Bridge Street West by 1871.
What sorts of houses were those? Hope you don't mind all the questions - I've been fascinated to discover that William Henry and Mary Ann Lichfield lived so close to each other growing up!

 

[Astoness]

Hi. New to the forum and I've found it really interesting to read about a street that has lost so much of its original character. I know that my Great Great Great Grandparents were among the first proprietors of the Queen's Head, 381 Farm Street. William Watson (born 1821, by trade an electro-plater/ Silversmith) and his wife Mary Ann nee Linforth, (1823-1858). At the time they ran the place, it was called the "Castle Inn". I know that they were there on the 1851 census and until 1858 - by 1861 Thomas and Elizabeth Mountford were in charge and had re-named it the "Queen's Arms" - her Head must have taken over later.

Does anybody remember drinking at the pub? What was it like inside? What sort of pub was it? I've been trying to imagine it!
They had one son, William Henry Watson, born in 1842 in Clerkenwell - died 1909 (I don't think they lived in London for long). He married a Farm Street girl - Mary Ann Lichfield, daughter of Charles Lichfield and Mary nee Evans - a pork butcher. The Lichfields were at Number 28 in 1851, Number 395 in 1861 and moved around the corner to 232 Bridge Street West by 1871.
What sorts of houses were those? Hope you don't mind all the questions - I've been fascinated to discover that William Henry and Mary Ann Lichfield lived so close to each other growing up!

hi and welcome...sadly this pub has been closed for some time now but at least its still standing...it was my gt nans local and also my nans...most of my family have drank in there the last time i was in was about 4 years ago but over the past 10 years its had so many changes of landlords...lovely old typical back street pub probably built about 1850 but that would need checking..there are old photos of the queens head on the forum and also if you put bridge street west into the search box we have a thread for this street with loads of pre demo photos...i will ask our pub expert to take a look at your post as he is always interested in people who had rellies who ran pubs

lyn