Ta Lyn......you could be right about being one of Ray's, like most of us on here I have all or very close to having all the ones he posted some years back now, I thought it may be a Phylis Nicklin's photograph, so I check out her section on the late Keith Berry's site, but it isn't there either unless I missed it, I am not sure if all of her photographs are on there, I was sure there was quite a few more than what are being shown, Someone will put me right on the photo I posted, its just bugging me to where it is....I think its Lozells area, but at that time it could be anyhow within Birmingham inner city districts .....thank you again John