The stories my Grandad could tell you about Devon Street were he still here. He was the window cleaner down there in the late 40's and early 50's
Chocks2: I wonder if your grandad ever mentioned the bookie - Harry Jones - who operated (illegaly in those days!) from, I think it was No. 10...
Pedlarman. My Grandad was a bookies runner for someone down that way but that would have been in the 30's vwhilst on leave from the army. He was arrested for it but they fined him rather than send him to prison because of his career. For several years after my dad had to take sixpence a week up to the court but he never knew why 'till after the war
Chocks2: I wonder if your grandad ever mentioned the bookie - Harry Jones - who operated (illegaly in those days!) from, I think it was No. 10...
Pedlarman. My Grandad was a bookies runner for someone down that way but that would have been in the 30's vwhilst on leave from the army. He was arrested for it but they fined him rather than send him to prison because of his career. For several years after my dad had to take sixpence a week up to the court but he never knew why 'till after the war
Chocks2: It was the depressed Thirties when your grandad was arrested, and in any case, I don't suppose that the Army paid its rankers much of a wage. So I presume your dad was paying off your grandad's fine by instalments.
I can't really say whether or not your grandad may have done some occasional "running" for my uncle as I don't know when Uncle Harry started up. I know that in the middle Forties - when Harry was operating - there was at least one other bookie in Devon Street, from whom I used to get the results...
Cheers,
Jim Pedley (pedlarman)
My great grandad Alfred Clarke lived Bk 150 Devon Street in 1891 with his Mum who was a widow and his sisters Kate and Beatrice.My grandparents lived in Devon Street in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Their name was Wright and they were a large family, my mother being born in 1913 was the youngest of the children. She lived there until 1930's.
It was always assumed that he had a shop as such. Yes-1891 has him as a hawker at 104 Lord St and married to Caroline. 1901 a hawker at 205 Francis St. 1911 a hawker at 24 Cato St. There is a record of them living at 61 Cattells Grove in 1906 and at 38 Trevor St in 1910. Devon St is in my notes but needs to be explored. I cannot find any trace of John/Caroline in the 1885 census for some reason. Thank you for your interest.I am sure you know this: The entry on the 1901 census describe him as a hawker. The 1891 census describes him as a hawker of vegetables. His son's marriage cert describes him as a greengrocer. Why do you think there was a shop on Devon Street? Wonder if he "hawked" (not sure that is a word) for the John Knight who is listed as a greengrocer??
Sorry - I meant 1881 census!It was always assumed that he had a shop as such. Yes-1891 has him as a hawker at 104 Lord St and married to Caroline. 1901 a hawker at 205 Francis St. 1911 a hawker at 24 Cato St. There is a record of them living at 61 Cattells Grove in 1906 and at 38 Trevor St in 1910. Devon St is in my notes but needs to be explored. I cannot find any trace of John/Caroline in the 1885 census for some reason. Thank you for your interest.