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Destroyed Records

katyjinny

Brummie babby
I am trying to find information about 2 sisters who were both adopted, the first in 1947 and the second in 1952. We've been told that adoption records were sent to Birmingham archives and have since been destroyed :mad::( Can I use this forum to ask about specific people? The younger sister stayed in the West Brom area and I guess there is a chance the older one did too.
 
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Astoness

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hi katyjinny and welcome....for data protection reasons we can not allow members to ask about specific people by name if as in your case they could still be alive but maybe someone on the forum could point you in the right direction with your seach

all the best and good luck

lyn
 
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mikejee

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I'm rather surprised that you were told they had been destroyed. I can understand not being available to view, but they should not have been destroyed
 

Astoness

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yes mike that was my feeling and did not know that adoption records were held at the library either..katy my advise to you would be to contact social services in the area where the girls were adopted from..from your post it sounds like that was west bromwich

lyn
 

pjmburns

master brummie
I believe it can be quite hard to trace records which are not your own because of confidentiality. As Lyn said I would think Social Services would be the best place to start.
 

katyjinny

Brummie babby
Thanks all. It was when we originally applied for my adoption record that the Social services said all the records from that time had been transferred to Birmingham archives. The adoption was done at the Juvenile court in Sutton Coldfield. The social worker contacted the archive and was told the records had been destroyed.

Prior to 1975 there was no requirement for records to be retained.
 
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pjmburns

master brummie
Sorry to hear that. Thanks for letting us know. I am still surprised there is not some record left. How do all these people on "long lost family" manage?
 

katyjinny

Brummie babby
Sorry to hear that. Thanks for letting us know. I am still surprised there is not some record left. How do all these people on "long lost family" manage?
It depends on the policies of different councils. I was also searching for a coroner's report in Coventry from the same period and had the same response. They didn't have room to keep all of the records.
 

Astoness

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Sorry to hear that. Thanks for letting us know. I am still surprised there is not some record left. How do all these people on "long lost family" manage?

same here janice i find it very strange that katyjinny has met with the responses she has......just hope she is not being fobbed off..something i have had first hand experience with with regards to the library of birmingham....i would always suggest double checking


lyn
 
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katyjinny

Brummie babby
Thanks both. I have emailed the Birmingham archive to double check and have registered parts 1 and 2 of the ACR but that depends on Jennifer also having registered.
 

Lady Penelope

master brummie
It seems to be getting harder to find anything in the archives at Birmingham. I think that due to staffing cuts they really can't say what they have or haven't got. I remember that before they moved to the present site it was said that a good deal of material had not been listed. I should imagine though that something as 'new' as 1970's stuff would be available.
 

Bob Davis

Bob Davis
One used to be able to trace adoptions through the Family Records Centre which used to be situated at Farringdon, London. That building has closed down and now everything is at the National Archives at Kew and I imagine all the records have been transferred there including the adoption records, which whilst doing family tree searches, I was able to examine them and I found what I wanted. Before trekking down there, it might be worth ringing them on 02088763444.
One of the problems with searches at Birmingham is that they seem to direct you on their computers to Ancestry. The first time I visited, the Library was the old concrete one on Chamberlain Place and I was shown microfiche, and record card records as well as books that had a great deal of detail with regard to what I was looking for, the last time I came up went to the new library and all that seemed to be availablke were computers linked to Ancestry to which I already subscribe. For that reason I have never been able to find a marriage, assuming there was one as they did not seem to have any church/parish records available.

Bob
 

Lady Penelope

master brummie
Have a look at the following katyjinny. Apparently they no longer hold any adoption records at the National Archives. This page gives you some more information but it may be that it only tells you things you already know.

I do agree with former posts in that these records must be somewhere - they wouldn't just thrown them away and as Lyn says, how do these professional researchers find their information?

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/adoptions/
 

Astoness

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pen i find it all very strange...about 6 years back i dealt with adoption within my family...a rellie was adopted in 1953 and his sister in 48 and a brother was sent to banardos in the 40s....he had no trouble gaining access to his adoption records via social services and banardos also helped him find his brother who lives in canada....in the end all siblings met up for the first time ever...neither of the 3 knew of each others existence..they all assumed that they were only children...

lyn
 

Nico

master brummie
It depends on the policies of different councils. I was also searching for a coroner's report in Coventry from the same period and had the same response. They didn't have room to keep all of the records.
Sounds like a fob off to me.
The Coventry archives are being transferred on to databases I believe but they still did have items on microfische. The whole point of this being they don't have room. Solihull is/was on both depending on what you are looking for. Depending on which employee you get can depend on the response. Which shouldn't be, but it is.
Saying that, I was told my birth records had been destroyed in a flood in Birmingham, but they hadn't as they were in Coventry. And they initially gave me someone else's in error. Our library used to hold records, the Archives have relocated more than once. Some records I got from London which took an age, me writing a letter, proving I was me, for several attempts and that they said they lost my letter twice. And they were way up themselves. We had to grit our teeth many many times in various places.
 
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