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Snowball

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One of my great aunts was Ann Marklew, born in 1817 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. She was baptised in 1818 in St. Martins Church. I'm reasonably sure that she died in 1876 and was buried in Witton Cemetery. In order to send for a copy of her death certificate I need to convert this burial information into a Volume and Page number for the GRO, does anyone know how I can do this ? There is another Ann Marklew on the records born in about 1797 and this is definitely not my great aunt. Any help would be most appreciated.
 
hi snowball cant you find her death registration on ancestry etc...that would give you the ref no for death cert...just had a quick look and i can only find the ann marklew who was born in 1897...also i cant find the baptism for ann marklew born 1817...mind you i am rushing as i am busy this morning..i take it she was born a marklew and died one so never married??

lyn
 
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You can still order a certificate from GRO without the ref number but it takes longer to arrive. Found the burial record and it confirms an Ann Marklew was buried at Witton in 1876 (grave 15/15077). Christening record on Ancestry with parents Charles and Lea Ann. (Lyn - could only find it on Christening records not the Birmingham one). Can't find a death at the moment.

Janice
 
Unless you are confident it is your Great Aunt I think it might be best if you contact Witton and ask if they can confirm the age of the Ann Marklew buried in 1876. It may be that this is the one born in 1797 - in which case we may be chasing the wrong info.
I found a marriage for Ann daughter of Charles in 1840 at St Martins (same occupation of Steel Toy Maker).
Janice
 
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Thank you to both Lyn and Janice for your responses and efforts. I can add that my great aunt was the fourth child born to Charles and Lea Ann and from the dates of their marriage and other children born into the family the Ann Marklew born in 1797 is not the same Ann Marklew that I am looking for. Confirm also that to the best of our knowledge, family folk lore says she never married and so remained a Marklew and a spinster all of her life. Have checked both Ancestry.com and Findmypast for any records of her death but have been unsuccessful. I didn't know that it was possible to order a GRO certificate without the volume and page reference numbers. Once again, thank you for your efforts.

Snowball
 
If you order from GRO without numbers I am not sure how you can be sure it is the right records but it does say on GRO site that it can be done.
Good luck. Let us know how you get on. Just done some more digging and are the parents names Charles Lea and Ann rather than Charles and Lea Ann? Is the Ann born in 1797 the Mother of your Ann?
Janice
 
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Not the younger one - no. That is why I wondered about the marriage but Snowball is sure she never married. 1841 I think has Charles and Ann as Marklin. Then I can only find Ann as born in Bath but the husband and children seem to match.
Janice
 
janice i am trying to find snowballs gt aunt ann marklew b 1817 birm...if as snowball says she never married she should be on the .51.61 and 71 but i cant find her on either..here we go again:rolleyes:
 
Ignore the bit about Bath as have now found Charles and Ann with youngest daughter Fanny on 1851 in Garrison Lane. Neither can I find the one born 1817 which is why I thought she had married.

Janice
 

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i thought the same janice...so gt aunt ann marklew did marry then..in 1840...so she cant be buried in witton

lyn
 
Well, although I don't like to contradict Snowball who should know the family story, it looks a strong possibility. Must go and get on with other things for a while before curiosity gets the better of me again!!
Janice
 
i agree janice snowball should know the family history but dont forget she did say it was only family folk lore that ann never married

lyn
 
Fairly certain that the Charles and Ann on 1841 are right as found a marriage of Charles Lea Marklew to Ann James (Sept 1810 at Yardley - birth date of 1797 a bit out but it is 1793 on the census). 1841 census has Ann James possibly her Mother. 1861 has Ann born in Bath but Sarah Turner (also on census) is, I think the Sarah Marklew who married a William Turner, and also the Elizabeth Bleakman is probably the daughter of Fanny who married a Charles Blakeman. This means all that ties in. The only concern I have is that I can't find this Ann on 1871 census which is a concern if we think she is the one who died in 1876.
Janice
 
I still think it is worth contacting Witton for confirmation. As there could be an error in dob or age on the record.
Janice
 
yes janice worth checking with witton although if that marriage you found is right i cant see why ann would be buried under her maiden name...the plot thickens
 
I agree but I would still check. It looks like a common grave as a search for that grave number threw several unconnected surnames. Also I think I found Charles in 1871 on his own listed as a lodger but next door to David (his son?)! Which further complicates things. In which case perhaps the Mother did die earlier which then leaves the question "is the Ann who died in 1876 related or a coincidence". (I think my head hurts now)!!
Janice
 
On Freebmd there is an ANN MARKLEW died 1876 age 79 years vol. 6d Page 33 could this be the Ann you are looking for? In 1871 Charles is still living at 24 Garrison Lane age 79 yrs. he is down as a Widower ; Agent ; and as a lodger.
I have found Charles & Ann with a HANNAH (baptised 1822) age 19yrs & 5 other children + Ann James age 77yrs. Could this be ANN? They are mislisted as MARKLIN
 
janice can you make out the surname of who ann married on the cert....think one of the witnesses was a hannah marklew...poss a sister ?? sorry rowan i missed your post...
 
The name is George Colledge and I can trace them on the censuses 41, 51 and 61 - that Ann disappears after 1861 and George seems to end as a pauper in the workhouse 1881. I did wonder if Hannah was the sister.
Janice
 
Rowan - thanks but the problem is that Snowball says, and I agree, that the Ann who died aged 79 is too old to be the right Ann unless there is an error somewhere.
Janice
 
according to rowan there was a hannah bapt 1822..so i would think she is young anns sister
 
Ann wife of Charles was baptised 14th Sept.1830, yes 1830 one day after their daughter Sarah Alice (b. April 1830) , baptised 13th Sept. 1830 was baptised at St. Martin Birmingham.
It states "Ann James parents David Ann now the wife of Charles Marklew" and they are living at Buck Street

Ann was born 30th Nov. 1793. They must have decided that Ann should be baptised, maybe a change of faith??
When Sarah gets married to Charles Blackman in 1856, her Mother? Ann is a witness with her mark as ANN COLLEDGE the plot gets thicker!!!
 
In the St. Martin Birmingham Baptisms of 1830 Sarah Alice Marklew is baptised Sept. 13th and the next day (14th) her Mother Ann is baptised but under the name of Ann JAMES.
There is a note under the baptism saying "Now the wife of Charles Marklew". Ann's parents are stated as David & Ann (James). I wonder why they felt the need for her to be baptised at that moment???

When Fanny marries Charles Blakeman in 1856 one of the witnesses is ANN COLLEDGE??
 
I think the Ann Colledge who witnesses Fanny's marriage is her sister the Ann whose marriage I put in #10. I missed that mark on Fanny's wedding. Brilliant as that links Ann Colledge to the Marklew's. The witness on Sarah's marriage to William Turner is Sophia Baggott who married David Marklew in 1850.
Janice
 
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according to rowan there was a hannah bapt 1822..so i would think she is young anns sister
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I agree that Hannah is a sister as on 1841 census but the only one I found baptised in 1822 was at Warwick and I don't think was the right one. Perhaps Rowan can tell us where the one she found was baptised.
Janice
 
I think that is the same Hannah that I found Janice ................ so it is probably the wrong one sadly.
There is a baptism for ANN birth 12 Dec. 1817 baptised 6 Jan.1818 at St Martin Birmingham but there is no image of it. States CHARLES LEA MARKLEW and ANN as the parents. FHL Film Number: 501834, 501835, 501836, 502177, 502178

Maybe I best leave it for now as I may be muddling the pudding a little too much :((
 
rowan dont jump ship just yet...the more the merrier....the bapt you have found is correct...see snowballs post 1

lyn
 
Rowan - it is thanks to you that we can connect Ann Colledge with the Marklew as you spotted the name Ann Colledge as a witness. As Lyn said the Ann baptism is right. It is just a complex story.
Janice
 
You girls are incredible - I am very humbled to think that you would go to so much trouble to provide assistance to someone 12,000 miles away and we have never met. If I could take you out for lunch to show my appreciation I would do it in a blink. Back to Ann Marklew. Most of what you have uncovered is accurate according to my own records and family folk lore, Ann was born in 1817 and her parents were Charles Lea Marklew 1791-1873 and Ann James 1793-1861. Charles came from Birmingham while Ann came from Bath, Somerset. They married in 1810 in Yardley which is listed as being in Worcestershire at that stage. They had ten children in total, the fourth born was Ann in 1817, she had a sister Hannah in 1822 and a brother David James Marklew in 1824, Sarah Alice in 1830 and lastly Fanny Elizabeth in 1834. I could name the others but they are outside of this enquiry. I have tracked Charles and his wife Ann throughout the censuses of 1841, 1851, 1861 and for Charles only 1871 since his wife had passed away by the census date. The daughter Ann does not appear on any of the census reports - by 1841 she would have been 24 years old. I have not been able to find any evidence of a marriage but did locate what I believe to be her death in 1876, buried in Whitton Cemetery. My belief that Ann, the daughter, never married was told to me by my own Grandmother Julia Marklew nee Bradnock when I first grew interested in genealogy. Julia was an incredible source of knowledge and I will remain indebted to her for the rest of my life, but, she has been found to be wrong on very few occasions but this just might be another one. Can you supply details of the marriage between Ann and whoever in 1840/41 please. I an very appreciative of the efforts you have made and wish there was some way to repay you for your kindness and generosity.

Snowball.
 
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