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Dartmouth Street 1881
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oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
A cropped enlargement from 'britainfromabove' image EPW041477 ENGLAND dated 1933. The view is from over the gas works and looks west. Dartmouth Street runs horizontally across the centre of the image. A point of reference is the Infants School (highlighted with slight colour) almost dead centre in the image on Dartmouth Street between Lord Street and Richard Street.
Click on the image to enlarge and scroll across and up and down ....
Click on the image to enlarge and scroll across and up and down ....
With regard to the map on post 21, Phil has reminded me that for those looking for earlier ancestors, the numbering was changed on that street between 1897 and 1899 from consecutive, 1,2,3,4... down one, side and then down the other, to odd numbers one side, 1,3,5,7... and even down the other, 2,4,6,8..... This will not affect the two people referred to in the thread in relation to the map, but might affect earlier times
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Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Bit more about Glass and Dartmouth Street.
In October 1838 Joseph Wallis and Joseph Richardson announced that they were now in Black glass Bottles at Victoria Bottle Works.
May 1839 there was a Prospectus to form a Joint Stock Company to carry on as the Victoria Bottle Works Co. "The Works consists of 3 furnaces, 8 annealing Arches, sundry valuable tools, moulds, fixtures and fittings"...."Birmingham, by its central situation and great access to water and other carriage, and from its present and rising importance, affords numerous advantages..."
Strangely there is an advert in July 1839...To be Let or Sold, premises called Victoria Bottle Works having a basin from the Digbeth Branch of the Birmingham Canal.
In March 1848 Joseph and James Stevens, formerly of Coalbourne Hill Glass Works near Stourbridge, took over the works known as Victoria Bottle Works and owned by Messrs Wallis and Richardson. They were to manufacture flint and coloured glass. It seems to be referred to as the Victoria Glass Works, and James Stevens and Son existed until at least 1890.
Radiorails
master brummie
Radiorails
master brummie
I wonder if the reference to 'great access to water and other carriage' had the recently opened, September 1838, London to Birmingham Railway in mind? It doesn't say so, so maybe the prospectus quoted had gone to print before the official opening of the railway.
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Another pub that was on Dartmouth Street, but this one was not recorded in Kelly's as it was only a beer house. I had to ask Mike to find out where it was located for me, apparently it was down near the junction of Aston Road and before the renumbering of Dartmouth Street it was number 99 and after it was 255.
It looks like they are all off for a nice day out somewhere.
It looks like they are all off for a nice day out somewhere.
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
When I first saw this building in about 1953 all that was left was the outer walls after it had been bombed during WW2. It's the Holbrooks Sauce premises that stood on the corner of Dartmouth Street and Ashted Row. Holbrooks started out as a vinegar brewery but soon branched out into manufacturing sauces and a one time were the largest seller of Worcestershire sauce in the world and were sued by Lea & Perrins in 1906 to try to stop them calling their sauce Worcestershire Sauce, but Lea & Perrins lost the action.
sospiri
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
There's a nice history of Holbrooks here:- https://letslookagain.com/tag/history-of-holbrooks-worcestershire/
Maurice
Maurice
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Just across the canal basin from Holbrooks was the Union Glassworks. It looks like these glassworks had many owners in it's long life before closing it's doors in 1896. The two photos below date from 1892 and at that time the glassworks were owned by Stone Fawdry and Stone. The first Stone being Sir Benjamin Stone the noted Birmingham photographer, and these photos were most likely taken by him.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Sir John Benjamin Stone was, amongst other things, a notable photographer, and his biography was written for the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography by Carl Chin..
https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1....001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-38559?docPos=2
He seems to have been much better at photography than as an MP. The Birmingham Argus described him as "a docile voting machine.”
The link below is to a Forum thread and it describes Stone and the conditions those young lads had to work in.
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/benjamin-stone.35043/#post-578857
Hi. Is the map you show available in the public domain, and do you know what date it was made? I am trying to research glass factories around the Dartmouth Street area in the 1840s - 1850s. Alan Thornton
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
From the National Library of Scotland, the earliest around the 1880s...
Many thanks.
Hi Phil (and Mike) do you know which way the street numbers on the photograph run please? I'm interested because I've just discovered my great, great grandfather John William English on the electorial register at number 103 in 1896.
Brilliant, thanks Mike.
Mrs Mary A Ware living at 135a Dartmouth Street was my great grandmother. My great grandfather Henry Albert Ware also lived there along with my grandfather, Harry Albert Ware until he got married in 1926, age 24. Henry Albert Ware died in 1924 of TB, aged 46. My mother always spoke of visiting her gran at 135 as it was a sweet shop!
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