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I remember seeing the Zissman shop, but being a youngster only went in once with my father. There was also a Zissmans on the Parade (near Sand Pits) but I do not know if their was a connection between the two stores.
 
Hi viv
yes the scene is a shot from dale end the photograpther was in a high postion in dale end whenhe took the picture
so from that point the guy keith turner is actualy on dale end its self
so where the big advert above premises grenvilles shirts and gloves is actualy the corner peice of dale end
and this book is and registered in central libary alan,, Astonian
 
Zissermans was on springhil about four or five possibley six doors from the springhil libary
and to add to your sandpitts that would have been 200 yards from the libary
i also bought from zizzes in the fiftys and played on the sandpitts lived just along from the sandpiits and springhill
and he was next to a radio and music shop selling records this bloke had a radio and electric
on the othere side of the road as well
zissermans shop was later taken over by john collier s
thats when they brought out there advert singing , john collier , john collier the window to whatch
 
Two much older images, both have been on the forum before, but not on this thread. The first is of Lloyds Bank, near the junction with High Street. The second is the Old Engine (pub?). Viv.

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In post#99 in the Unknown locations thread there is the interesting pic shown below of Dale End.
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The building to the right has YMCA written above. So Imperial Arcade would have been next to the YMCA - the Arcade being, at a guess, where the van is parked on the right near the wide archway. Viv.
 
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I bet not many forum members would remember Zissmans in Dale End. I bought a sweater from that shop a long time ago !
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We used to go to Zissmans for our shirts which were always cutaway collars and as made for Billy Eckstein/Frankie Lane. My favourite and best buy was a shirt described as 'sharkskin' and as designed for Billy Eckstein. I once bought one there which was cream with brown button down collar nd brown cuffs. Worn with the top button done up and no tie.......cool or what?
 
Another shop I used visit quite often was the Scout Shop about a hundred yards along from Zissmans. It has been mentioned elsewhere on the forum but I have never seen a photo.
 
Wow some of my old buttons pushed tonight! I was kitted out at the Scout Shop when I joined the St Agatha's troop in Sparkbrook.
I also bought a lot of gear from Zissmans in the early 1950 's. I had a claret red corduroy draped jacket which set of my pink shirt (styled exclusively for Frankie Lane and thousands of young neds like me!).A crochet multi colored tie and oxblood crêpe soled shoes. Looking back I can think of only one good thing, that I bought my gear with money earned at my spare time jobs.
My dress style did improve in the next few years I'm glad say, but in my 70's I have a more relaxed slobby style.
As an aside, a few years ago at a family do one of my nieces said " My mother says my taste in clothes leaves a lot to be desired". Her mother over hearing her shouted out "I said your taste is in your arse" Now that is down to earth.
Cheers Tim.
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Some fancy men's fashion being described here! Men's dress must have really been turned upside down by the likes of Zissmans and Nelson House.

Going further back again, this drawing is the corner of Moor Street and Dale End. Which road was Dale End? To the right? Viv.

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Viv

I think your drawing is of these premises so it follows that Dale End is to the right.

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Some fancy men's fashion being described here! Men's dress must have really been turned upside down by the likes of Zissmans and Nelson House.

Going further back again, this drawing is the corner or Moor Street and Dale End. Which road was Dale End? To the right? Viv.

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It was, their specialities prior to Teddy Boy outfits were American fashions, the sort where you could put a pack of Lucky Strikes in the shirt pocket and just flip one out as per Alan Ladd or one of the other Hollywood stars, they specialised in Drape Jackets and also shirts that had that most important feature the cut back collar so that the loud tie could be tied with a Windsor Knot. They also introduced the button down collar (no good for a Windsor Knot in a big tie, but ideal with the knitted square end ties and yes I wore them all with a DA hairstyle. God I thought I was the King, especially as I dropped off the 5a or the 7 while it was still travelling quite fast before the stops in Victoria Square...
 
A nice snippet of history. A farthing token from 1838 for Samuel King, grocer and tea dealer of Dale End. Viv.


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Not sure if this is the right place, but I saw this thread and wondered if anyone knew anything about a Royal Naval recruitment centre in Dale End during the War? My father volunteered for the Navy when he was 18 in 1943, and apparently went down to Dale End to join up.
 
I would put money on their being a Royal Naval recruitment office somewhere in the city centre. They were, as they always are keen to tell us non Navy types, the senior service and would not, in my view, wish to be outdone by the newcomers. :D
I did have a foot in both camps: I was in the RAF but spent some time on a Fleet Air Arm station.
 
A circulating library in Dale End. Can we pinpoint where this would have been please ? Viv.

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The c1889 map does not mark court 16, but the 1845 directory notes it was between 112 & 113 next to The Royal Exchange, and it is marked in red on the map c1889.

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In the 1849 and 1855 directories Mrs Charlotte Hill is listed as having a circulating library at 3 Lower Priory. In 1862, 1867 & 1868 she is listed as having a newsagent at 41 Summer Hill terrace. in 1872 she has disappeared. I would assume that the address in the advert was probably between the 1845 (notlisted) and 1849 entries, as lower Priory would be a mor eprestigious address, and she started in thc Court off Dale end
 
1852 directory lists Charlotte Hill, Library at 3 Lower Priory. 1850 actually say "cir. library" also Lower Priory.
 
Thanks Mike and Janice. Don't know why, but surprised C.Hill was a lady ! Shouldn't have been surprised, as I suppose it would've been a 'suitable' female occupation. Viv.
 
She is listed as a bookseller on the 1841 census aged 50 - no husband. Address is 3 Lower Priory. There is Sarah aged 25, Joseph aged 20, Henry aged 14 and Emma aged 5. In 1851 she has become a librarian and only Sarah is listed.
 
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Interesting Janice. So Charlotte was doing this alone. Hopefully the older children helped. And moving into newspapers too - she was probably quite the businesswoman. Viv
 
Tesco's was around here in the mid-seventies (I seem to remember the building of it in 1973). A man who I worked with many years ago told me he had to report to the army recruitment office in Dale End when he was conscripted at the start of the Second World War.

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