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Courtyards and yards of brum

It is reported that in 1890 the new PO was in an advanced stage, enough to give an idea how it would look, but the last mention I can find of Station Terrace, Hill St is February 1900 when a lad called John Dixon (15) was taken to hospital having been kicked by another boy. He was from 4 Station Terrace, Hill Street.

The map shown in post 983 is revised 1887 and shows how the land lies before the GPO was was built.

Courtyards and yards of brum

not st judes pedro....pic by dennis williams... Thread for the Church of St. Jude... https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/st-judes-church-hill-street.11943/
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1900 Kelly's, from Navigation St. upwards on the East side of Hill Street, only shows 46.5, 46, and then the GPO.

Going back to 1883 Kelly shows numbers 46 to 62 from Navigation Street to Paradise Street. However there is no indication of Station Terrace anywhere, including a check on Pinfold Street.
Other mentions...1893 Albert Dixon (43) of 4 ST.....1895 Alfred Davis (35) of 11 ST

HANG ON....Maybe a break through, will post later.
 
With regard to the photo in post 990, One poster refers to Leach's lectures at the town hall. Apparently these were started by a preacher. the last mention in the press seems to be 1884 and they were apparently started around 1875 , but not at town hall at first.

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The only John Dixon that is of about the right age on both the 1881 and 1891 Censuses was living in Sandy Lane in both years - a bit distant from Hill street.

However, Greens Village is mentioned in Piece 2375 of the 1891.

Maurice
 
The layout of the court named Greens village would fit on the c1889 map, though not the dome, unless , (possibly but dubious about that) it was part of St Judes School.
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In Piece 2375 of the 1891, there are only two families with the address of Greens Village:-
the GOODWIN family and it appears between 105 and 107 Hill Street, and
the DUNN family and it appears between 1 Station Street and Bk 16 John Bright Bright Street.
Work that out if you can! :)

I'll have a look for Greens Village in 1881

Maurice
 
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The area of Greens village did have a reputation for being a dubious area (which might be why some preferred to call it something else !), so possibly the inhabvitants were not too keen to put down their details in the census
 
In 1881 a large community of 50 families! between 108 Hill Street and St Judes School.

No John DIXON though in 1881 - he obviously had a shortish stay and decided to get out, possibly to St Mary Street, Ladywood, there's one of the right age in 1891.

Maurice
 
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Almost off the map in #995 but this building (marked pink) on the map screenshot below could be visible from the court named Greens Village. It appears to have a rounded corner but what was it. I have noticed old cameras seem to make distant objects look nearer. Many Victorian buildings had domes and cupolas.
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In 1881, over 80% of the heads of the 50 households of Greens Village were born in Ireland! As I've mentioned, there were only two families left there by 1991, so presumably the bulk of them moved into the surrounding neighbourhood. Was Guiness available in Birmingham by 1893? :) :) :)

Maurice
 
sospiri said:
In 1881, over 80% of the heads of the 50 households of Greens Village were born in Ireland! As I've mentioned, there were only two families left there by 1991, so presumably the bulk of them moved into the surrounding neighbourhood. Was Guiness available in Birmingham by 1893? :) :) :)

Maurice
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The provenance of the inhabitants fit well with all the work involving the railway.
Apart from not identifying the dome/cupola we have managed a far better result than the ill fated No 8 bus one. :D
 
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sospiri said:
In 1881, over 80% of the heads of the 50 households of Greens Village were born in Ireland! As I've mentioned, there were only two families left there by 1991, so presumably the bulk of them moved into the surrounding neighbourhood. Was Guiness available in Birmingham by 1893? :) :) :)

Maurice
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More likely to be on the hard stuff, potcheen?

It also looks like the mentions of Green's Village disappear after 1891. Late on in December 1891 the Birmingham Daily Mail reports that from the Warkwickshire Assizes it is said that Summer Lane has fallen heir to the criminal population that used to herd in and near to Green's Village and the slums around the Priory before the Improvement Scheme.
 
A view down Beak Street shown on the map in #1000 would show the building marked in pink. The photo below looks down Beak Street and shows the building opposite. There appears to be a dome on the building which is obviously not a house. Can we determine what this distinctive building was?
Unfortunately no date for this image.
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sospiri said:
In 1881, over 80% of the heads of the 50 households of Greens Village were born in Ireland! As I've mentioned, there were only two families left there by 1991, so presumably the bulk of them moved into the surrounding neighbourhood. Was Guiness available in Birmingham by 1893? :) :) :)

Maurice
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I don't know but I'm sure the enthusiasm to work was
 
More about Greens Village adding to what is already recorded here.

Greens Village

The entrance to this street (or area?) was off John Bright Street, to the left in the old image. It no longer exists and I've never heard of it before. Can we locate it on any maps please? Viv.
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Although the c1889 map shows
Greens village as only one side of John Bright St, the directories of the period list it coming off both sides of the road , so the courts to the west of John Brights St should also be considered.
 
It looks likely that the photo in #971 was taken in the Greens Village yard because there are 10 houses although the photo only shows numbers 5 to 10. The view through the gap at the end of the yard would point at the building (marked pink on map in #1000) which probably had a domed corner turret tower. The view down Beak Street just catches the edge of the tower and dome.

The occupants look a lively bunch and the youngster lower middle in the pic has a mischievious looking face ...
 
Phil,

It is most unlikely that a local would have had the means to buy a camera then. Because we renovated and extended a derelict rural village house when we moved here, we were initially viewed with suspicision. Once the work had started and they condescended to say more than the usual kalimera, the next assumption was that we were just using the place as a holiday home and became most welcoming when they were convinced that we were actually going to live here permanently. I think it is the same almost anywhere, a stranger will be viewed with suspicion almost anywhere.

Maurice
 
The family who lived at No 3 in Court 5 William Street North opened their door one day and saw a man in their court with his camera set on a tripod. The kids were lined up, the man told them to stand still, and they were in the photo ... probably the only one they had taken of them as youngsters ...
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In their court by houses 1-4 at the back of 94 Coleshill Street they look at the camera and over 100 years later we look at them.

Those high buildings behind their houses look interesting, particularly the one with the two circular holes which look like vents. I have seen a map showing the Gaiety Palace with a 'Waterhouse' behind it ... could these be the high buildings?
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Shoothill have this photo tagged back of 16 - 17 Holland Street. It looks a rather grim place notable for having what appears to be a floating gas light and the photographer has placed his equipment case in the corner of the yard.
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