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Coalman

I know this thread is a little old, however my Grandfather (Howard Merrett) was a Coal Merchant many years ago in the Stechford, Ward End area. He used to collect his coal from Stetchford Wharf and go on his rounds. My father used to debt collect for him and I am told that Grandad was too honest for his own good and if Dad came back with too much money he had to go back out and sort out the discrepency. (he also got a model railway as payment which we still have)

I hope you find the attched price list interesting (circa 1953)
 
That's interesting Hawkmoon my grandfather was a 'cashier' for a coal merchant this would have been from 1900 to the 1930's. He died before I was born so I never found out where he worked. He lived in Bevington Road Aston at the time. The price list makes interesting reading.
 
My Grandad was a coal merchant too. Parish 35 Cliveland Street.
 
My Great Grandfather on my Dad's side was a Coal Merchant in Wolverhampton. I imagine there were a lot of them about in those far off days since coal was used for all heating in one form or another.
 
I remember the coal men wearing their leather tabbards. I used to watch them through my bedroom window delivering our coal to the coalhouse in all weathers.
 
I remember the coal men wearing their leather tabbards. I used to watch them through my bedroom window delivering our coal to the coalhouse in all weathers.

THE COALMAN.
David Weaver ‘Australia’ ©
I was sitting with a few friends in a while back, reminiscing about the old days in England and the people that I knew. When one of them asked me what I remembered about the Coalman.
Without hesitating I answered,
" The smell of him."
All but one person in the room laughed uproariously. The one who didn’t, nodded his head knowingly.
You see, he knew the Coalman too.
I stood up, walked over to him and suggested we sit alone in the fernery for a while. He looked at me and grinned
" Lets grab a Whisky and do that," he replied. A smile creasing his ageing face.
When we were sitting at ease under the cool ferns we remained silent for a while. Dreaming the dreams people do. Of their youth long gone, never to return. Then my companion said in a voice full of emotion.
" Do you remember the times he took his children down to Blackpool and pushed them around on that dilapidated inflatable air bed, the one that leaked like a sieve. I think it had more patches on it then a shipfull of pirates.?”
He must have pumped through his lungs, enough oxygen for a full days output of the Brazilian Rain Forrest. For all those years he blew into it, in a vain attempt to defeat the escaping air." He smiled, comfortably with his memories.
Never gave up though did he, there’s a lesson in there somewhere?
After a short time he continued " And what about the time he pulled the same children from the mud, after they had been thrown out of that burning air raid shelter by their mother, and how he had gently chided her because she may have hurt them. She was standing, with her face blackened by the explosion, her dress almost burnt off and her remaining hair singed to the scalp.
It was I suppose his way of saying " Well done Luv A soldier in battle would have won the Victoria Cross for less."
I thought for a while and then said to him,
" You know I can still see him standing in front of that huge fire in his kitchen, soaking wet from the winter snow, the peaked cap pulled down over his pinched cold face, and those dark brown corduroy trousers shiny from wear. I can see the big heavy boots with the steel studs covering the soles. Oh the ringing sound of those lovely big boots as they clack clacked over the cobblestones into the kitchen.
" What about the big leather cover on his back?" said a voice from across the fernery sharply " You forgot the leather on his back."
I suddenly remembered from the deep recesses of a failing memory. Of all the things to forget! The protective leather on his back, which his children used as a shield when they were pretending to be Robin Hood in Sherwood Forrest. a thousand arrows struck that shield without one drop of blood being spilled.
I can see in my minds eye quite clearly, the strong hands crossed over his stomach, thumbs tucked into his trousers. The steam rising in wispy clouds from his soaking clothes, as he stood before the hot fire. And then there was that glorious smell of coal tar, human sweat and horses. The most beautiful smells of all.
" I think we should drink a toast to the coalman," said the voice of my companion.
"Certainly," I replied standing up.
We both raised our glasses and I continued
"Here’s to you my older brother and here’s to the Coalman, your dead father and
mine..........Good Health. DKW
 
Honesty seemed to run in the trade. I remember dad carried a bag of coalup Gkastone Street to give to an old lady who had no money. When told he'd never make a fortune his reply was , 'If ever she gets the money she'll pay for it, and if she doesn't it'll mean she died of cold but not while I'm around.' Kind regards, David.
I know this thread is a little old, however my Grandfather (Howard Merrett) was a Coal Merchant many years ago in the Stechford, Ward End area. He used to collect his coal from Stetchford Wharf and go on his rounds. My father used to debt collect for him and I am told that Grandad was too honest for his own good and if Dad came back with too much money he had to go back out and sort out the discrepency. (he also got a model railway as payment which we still have)

I hope you find the attched price list interesting (circa 1953)
 
Thanks Kandor, made me laugh for it really was hard work. I tried it for a while but decided travelling with a rucksack was much more fun. Regards, David Weaver.
We had no coal merchants in our family but my Uncle David did work as a coalman.
He never held down a proper job in the years I knew him and on top of that, was the worlds biggest hypochondriac..David never got a Cold, it was always double pneumonia, all pimples were cysts and a sprain was a multiple fracture..
Yet the man would shovel 30 tons of coal in his effort to avoid 'real' work.
Strange to think he outlived every male Robinson and currently lives quietly on his own in Glebe Farm, he neither asks for visits or callers but my, he doesn't half discourage them.
 
I remember our coalman, Mr. Lines (or Lynes?) who lived at the top end of Sherbourne Road in Balsall Heath.
I was sent up to order some coal and knocked on his door; no reply. Several more attempts proved fruitless so I decided to go to the back door. On turning around the front of the house I discovered that the only bit of the house still standing was the front wall! Not only had My Lynes dissapeared but his house had too!
This was before the main clearance, maybe mid '50s. I wonder what happened to him.
 
Hey ho Silver, I'll check with my oracle back in England and get back to you. May take a bit of time. Regards, David.
 
Hey ho Silver, I'll check with my oracle back in England and get back to you. May take a bit of time. Regards, David.
hi ya, does anyone remember Higgins coal merchants they had an office in grt Lister st?and worked out of Rupert st / avenue rd depot?
another name that may be tied with them is a family call preedy?
in the stechford area we had a coalman they were based at a yard by the bulls head pub,called fenners we lived in the south yardley area after we moved due to to i hate the words slum clearance.
happy days regards dereklcg.
 
coal merchants

hello there can Kelly,s help please?
i,m looking is possible for coal merchants in the nechells duddeston area
Higgins / preedy.
not used before not sure if i,ve done it right?
sorry if i have,nt regards dereklcg
 
Re: coal merchants

Derek
You didn't say the period you were interested in, so have looked at all that I have. Have put in all with those names, and left you to see whether they are in the area. Found no Preedys, but did find some Preadys, so included those. Didn't include Priddys:

1964
Sidney George Pready. 261 Court Lane, 23
A & R Higgins, 70 Saltley Road, 7

1950
Alfred Higgins, 35 Oliver St, 7
Sidney George Pready. 261 Court Lane, 23

1940
Alfred Higgins, 35 Oliver St
Samuel Pready, 10 Newdigate St

1921 - None

1912
Arthur Edward Higgins, Yardley Road, Acocks green

1904 - None

1896 - None
1888 – None
1880 - None

1876
Robert Higgins, Livery St

1873 (not Kellys)
John Higgins, 5 Northwood St
Arthur Edward Higgins, Yardley Road, Acocks green

1862 (Corporation directory)
R. Higgins, 136 Livery St
Z.Higgins, Wilton St, Lozells

Hope its useful to you

mike
 
Re: coal merchants

Any info on a Coalman named Bishop, one man business, Charles Edward Rd, Yardley, started post WW1. Len.
 
Re: coal merchants

From (and possibly before) 1918 to (and possibly after) 1939 William Henry Bishop is listed on the electoral rolls at 7 Charles Edward Road.
 
Re: coal merchants

Thanks Lloyd, Mr.Bill Bishop lived two houses down from our house (3 C/Edward Rd), he used to have week off in August and would take his horse to a field about a 1/4 of a mile away, he would lift me & my brother on its back and we would have ride to the field as soon as we were off its back the horse would run around the field kicking up its back legs, it was great to see after its usual plodding along pulling the cart, circa 1934-1939. Len.
 
Re: coal merchants

Derek
You didn't say the period you were interested in, so have looked at all that I have. Have put in all with those names, and left you to see whether they are in the area. Found no Preedys, but did find some Preadys, so included those. Didn't include Priddys:

1964
Sidney George Pready. 261 Court Lane, 23
A & R Higgins, 70 Saltley Road, 7

1950
Alfred Higgins, 35 Oliver St, 7
Sidney George Pready. 261 Court Lane, 23

1940
Alfred Higgins, 35 Oliver St
Samuel Pready, 10 Newdigate St

1921 - None

1912
Arthur Edward Higgins, Yardley Road, Acocks green

1904 - None

1896 - None
1888 – None
1880 - None

1876
Robert Higgins, Livery St

1873 (not Kellys)
John Higgins, 5 Northwood St
Arthur Edward Higgins, Yardley Road, Acocks green

1862 (Corporation directory)
R. Higgins, 136 Livery St
Z.Higgins, Wilton St, Lozells

Hope its useful to you

mike
hi Mike the 1940/64 is of interest.
i did put in kelly,s 1954 but i was,nt sure how to use it properly,
and i am not really sure on your your progress,where to go.
i do appreciate you time mike thank you, i,ll see if i can find out more.
happy days regards Derek.
 
Re: coal merchants

There is no mention in Kelly's of william henry bishop as a coalman in the 1912,1921 or 1940 censuses, though, if he was a one man business he might well not be in there. There is a mention of a william henry bishop in the 1912 census as a beer retailer at 74 James Turner Road, winson green, though that probably wasn't the same one.
 
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Anyone know If Lester Brothers are Birmingham's oldest surviving Coal Merchants? There is yard is still beside the Grand Union canal in Lincoln Road, Acocks Green
 
does anyone remember there coal deliverer?
Dear KMT123, I would think everyone would have memories about coal if you lived through the 40's and 50's and possibly later [ I can't remember when the clean air act was introduced ], in Birmingham.

In the dreadful winter of 47/48 my father was carrying a sack of coal which might have come from a railway spillage and possibly illegal, or from a coal merchant in Sheepcote Street.
In any event he had a wife and 3 small children to take care of through that dreadful winter.
Carrying a heavy bag of coal he slipped on the icy steps between St Vincent's Street and Sheepcote Lane and severely hurt his back.
We had a coal hole under the stairs and later the council built us a bunker in our yard.
Yes, I remember our mother counting every 1 cwt bag.
Yes, I remember slack or was it slag? Something to bank up the fire with.
Yes, I remember holding a sheet of the Birmingham Mail over the fire place to increase the draw, and watching it slowly go brown and then ignite.
I, remember once. the soot in the chimney catching fire and my mother using a glass mirror to look up the chimney, to ascertain how the fire was proceeding.
We managed without the Fire Brigade.
Bats, I remember. A dull coal. Easy to break up.
Which was my job after school. Every Monday to Friday.
This is how coal was a part of my childhood.


The Barker Street Triangle.

I always ran home from school, hopping and
skipping over the cracks. So that I could be at Barker
Street by 5:00 pm. I flew past Tailbys timber yard,
the screeching sounds of the saw rising in pitch as it
sliced it's way through the Baltic pine. Showers of
sawdust flying into the air, wood stacked in neat
rows with coloured sawed through symbols and words
opened up to the weather and the air, the smell of the
pine was intoxicating
Flying on down the hill, past the factory on the
other side of the road that skinned rabbits. The yard
was piled high with brown rabbit skins.
Over Vincent Street past Hickmans the grocers.
In large white enamelled trays on a white marble
slab. cold mackerel with their dark blue stripes and
red eyes, balefully looked at you. Eels with black
tops and aluminium painted stomachs still moved.
There was always a pile of black mussels dripping
water and flecked with bits of bright green seaweed.
The fishmonger wore long black wellingtons and
emptied buckets of water onto the footpath, I
splashed past and guessed at the time. Over Nelson
Street and Garbett Street I turned left into my
street and home.
The key was under the window box, I opened the
door and checked the time, 4:27.
There was a brush and pan to clear out the ashes
of the previous night and a copy of the Birmingham
Mail to provide the base for this nights fire.
Sometimes I had to chop wood but most times it was
already cut and held together by a dark red rubber
band. With the head of the axe I smashed the big
lumps of coal, shutting my eyes just before impact.
Pieces of coal would sting my face, richoctte of the
coalhouse walls and down my neck. 4:47.
Two old infirm spinsters lived at the bottom of
our yard, they were sisters. Every week night I had to
check if there was anything that they needed. Simple
things like fire lighters, a can of soup, occasionally
snuff. It wasn't uncommon to see old men take snuff
but it was unusual to see women take it. The snuff
smelt of tobacco mixed with spice. The younger
sister had bright blue eyes and small delicate hands.
She alway offered me threepence for running
errands, I always refused, she always insisted.
One box of fire lighters, one small loaf and
threepence for my trouble, 4:58.
Running up to the top of the street, I turned into
Shakespeare Road and then right into Barker Street.
This street ran parallel with the Birmingham to
Wolverhampton railway line. On this line every night
the Glasgow to Birmingham express steamed the last
mile of it's journey into New Street Station. Towards
the end of Barker Street it curved closer to the
railway line squeezing the brick red back to back
houses until they ran out and ended in a small factory.
The factory made brass buttons, it had a giant
press that would spit out small buttons without ever
seeming to pause. Crump hiss, crump hiss, thousands
of bright yellow buttons would spill out over the
earthen floor. To the left of the factory using well
worn foot holds I scaled a rough blue metalled wall,
and dropped down into a small triangle of waste
ground. Draped over a wooden fence overlooking the
railwayline were half a dozen boys. "Have I missed
her?" "No, nothing yet." It was 5:10.
24 pairs of eyes searched the gloom for signs of
the approaching train. To the right almost opposite
the fence stood a small wooden signal box, painted in
LMS colours cream and a dark red. If you peered
closely the lights inside the box showed the
signalman, sleeves rolled up with an unbuttoned
black waistcoat. We watched and listened for the
smallest sign. Nothing, he was just making a cup of
tea. We could hear the spoon tinkle as he stirred the
pot. To the left of the box on the up line was a signal,
it's arm lay in a horizontal position and it's lamp was
red. Further up and on the other side of the line was
another signal which came under the keenest
scrutiny, this was the downer.
It was impossible to see the signals lamp, but
the horizontal arm told us there was nothing doing.
"Do you think it's been cancelled ?" "Nah she's come
through later than this." Ding, ding. It sounded like
two bells, you could have heard a pin drop. "What was
that ?" There was no movement, perhaps it was just
his spoon, another latecomer slipped over the wall. It
was 5:17.
Ding, ding. There it was again. The silhouette of
the signalman moved towards one of the twelve
brass levers and with a cloth wrapped around one, he
eased it forward, The end of the signal arm nearest
the upright post slipped down, the other end pointed
upto the sky, One hundred yards down the line, right
in front of our eyes the points clanked home.
"Pegs up on the downer!" Thirteen heads turned
and all ears tuned into any sound that would now
come from the two nearest lines. In every head now
there was only one thought, "Don't let it be
Polythemus." 550521 Polythemus was a train that
haunted us, night and day it turned up everywhere.
Sometimes the only reward for three hours waiting
on a slow wet Sunday afternoon would be Polythemus
shunting backwards and forwards trailing black
mushroom shaped clouds behind her.
The lines began to jangle. We looked down the
line intently, it might be a "Pate" [a shortening for
the Patriot class], or more frequently a "Scot"
[Scottish class]. We could tell which class of engine it
could be at some distance, because on the front of
the engine were two large plates mounted in a
vertical position, that slipstreamed the smoke from
the funnel up and away from the following carriages.
The slightly different outlines described to which
class the engine belonged. We called them blinkers.
"Looks like a Scot." "No it isn't." "It is." "No it
isn't." "It isn't a Pate, is it ?" Even the older more
knowledgeable boys were unsure. 5:19
Ding! Ding! "Pegs up on the upper!" Another train
was making it's way out of New Street up the line.
Eyes widened, notebooks open, the grip on our
pencils tightened, two trains at the same time, it had
happened before, the train coming down the line
would mask the other going up it. We could hear the
train coming up the line, slowly gathering speed it
pulled its carriages up the line through a long curving
tunnel. You could here it chunting and hissing. Bam
bam bam bam, it came nearer.
The down line jangled with more intensity. "It
can't be a Semi can it?" I'd seen a Semi [semi
blinkered] once before, Princess Mary Rose. A giant
maroon steel monster hissing steam, flashing wheels,
shaking the ground, thundering up to the north. But
that was on a different line. What ever was looming
towards us, I had never seen before.
Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam the train on the
upper black smoke belching from it's stack
hammered towards us. BAM BAM bam bam [under a
bridge] BAM BAM BAM BAM up the long curve it came.
"It's a Scot! it's a Scot!" Number 5445, in vermilion
letters on black background over the pounding
wheels, The Royal Inneskillen Fusiliers.
SCREECHSCREECHSCREECH the steel rails howled the
arrival of the large dark shape bearing down upon us.
The train was close enough to see her swaying as she
came towards us at speed. "It's a Brit it's a Brit! look
at the blinkers it's a Brit!" The only Brit I had ever
seen was in a grainy black and white photograph. I
watched transfixed. Still swaying she was almost
upon us. The black shape became one of dark green,
her steam scalding the track around her. Orange from
an open firebox lit up the fences and the rails around
her, sparks like the tail of a comet streaming over a
gleaming and glistening bulk she slithered past us
hissing like a giant cobra.
5:23.p.m. Number 70000 first of her class,
Britannia.
 
Wow...Ladywood brilliant writing. The Barker Street Triangle story so gripping,
every sentence compelling the reader to carry on reading right to the end of the piece. Well done.

The Coal story is great. We certainly didn't sit around watching TV in those days when there was time to kill between our parents coming home from work. There were expectations from them that the fire would be going and the potatoes peeled for
a couple of things we had to do. The errands run for infirm neighbours were very important and the extra cash which we were, for the most part, told we should not accept made us very happy when we did accept it as we thought about what we might buy with this windfall. After all that we could go and play with our friends outside.
 
Our Coalman lived 2 houses down from our house in Charles Edward Rd, Yardley his name was William Bishop he traded pre WW2 and after with a horse drawn cart with the scales on the back until he died. Len.
 
Wow...Ladywood brilliant writing. The Barker Street Triangle story so gripping,
every sentence compelling the reader to carry on reading right to the end of the piece. Well done.

The Coal story is great. We certainly didn't sit around watching TV in those days when there was time to kill between our parents coming home from work. There were expectations from them that the fire would be going and the potatoes peeled for
a couple of things we had to do. The errands run for infirm neighbours were very important and the extra cash which we were, for the most part, told we should not accept made us very happy when we did accept it as we thought about what we might buy with this windfall. After all that we could go and play with our friends outside.[/QUOTE.

Thank you for your kind comment.
With more the than generous 3 pence I received as a windfall, I would buy a Wagon Wheel, or a Lemon Sherbert or in November, 3 one penny bangers.

ladywood
 
I really enjoyed reading your piece of work Ladywood (MEMORIES)...Cat
 
Hi, come in to this thread a bit late. We used to have our coal delivered by Rogers&sons, Edward Rd balsall heath. We live3d in Mary St, old man Rogers (he must have been sixty then) used to climb the six steps to the cellar opening, no problem. When us kids used to fetch the coal ourselves we use any old pram we could get hold of, wait in the queue, when it came to our turn ‘half hundred weight please’ or if I had been to the pawnshop for mom maybe a hundred weight, he’d bung it on the scales and you put the pram under the lip of the scales and he would tip the lot in to the pram, as often as not it would go straight through bottom of the pram. I have no idea when Rogers Sn retired, perhaps someone in the balsall heath thread may know.
Baz
 
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