good morning sylv, yes you was right it was along the flat just as you come to the end of the flat and start to go up the slight incline of lodge road ,and yes , you had to go up two steps and a little turn to your right then you was in the work place, one day my mom took me to the factory ,she had a problem , we went on the number eight bus from aston cross, as you say , we had to go up two steps , and by golly you was right, the smell of the fumes was over powering of the bakerlite , and i seen him working, and the confined space they had to work in, every body new him, and also my mom ,they was making castor wheel;s mainly because who she was, and carl and mom grew up in the same neck of woods, of worcestershire ,they are neibouring villages, bidford and cow honeybourne, and the jelf,s family was big land owners in them days , but also the fore fathers was high court people if you check records they all lived together in the same area, all lived less than 1oo yards apart there some of the sibling are still ther to day owing the land around worcestershire, some are top postions councilliors in oxford and mp,s in oxford, in the early days ; from 1905 or 1925 there grand father came from oxford to worcester and he was a high court, and on his first case, he sentence a william yarnold to be hung to death on 4th november19o5 for murder of his wife, in worcester jail, if you check the records the jelf,s lived in all the lanes of honey bourne as land owner, s and market gardners, my mom was born in parliment street aston a coulpl of doors from john ,houghton,but when she was little they moved to honeybourne, to live, for a short time, the grand parents wealthy people , bought propery,s in around b,ham, but still lived in worc, they done the b,ham . courts., and this is how they became known in the legal sytem at b,ham for there grand father being known as the hanging judge , his son,s down the line operated in b,ham azises, in the early days the father was the judge and the younger son,s used to be special jurriors for the serios cases, such as hanging cases, in b,ham . as i said the high socieity people they was known in high places with the police , , high ranks of the city leading councillors of era gone by as i have said , they were lland owners with small holdind and during the war years they did supply fruit and veg , eggs , meat and chicken to the wealthy,of b,ham; and they set up bussiness in b,ham, they had one warehouse in 901 tyburn rd erdington , and one big one at the rear of 237 park lane in fact there was two warehouser,s at the rear of 237 park lane where they kept there silver ware for high society wedding and function ,s for various fuctions in the city of b,ham ie the council house functions the old gpo , as itb was known then and the police socitey and of course the highly respected people of b,ham, whom got married , in days ,s i have recently have been told by a bussiness lady of selly park b,ham whom as recently retired from bussiness next to the bbc , said she had her wedding done by the jelf,s and she said if you are somboby it was the thing to get your marriage done by the jelf,s they provided all the fancy food and champayne , and all the cut glasss and silver ware , with the waitres service best of every think. the ordiary folk arond aston thought they was just coffee shops ,but they also had a couple of fish and chip shops dotted around with a couple of resturantss , an d two booking shops ,one in aston , and one in erdington, sorry about wathling off sylv, i do get carried away, there is a lot more of intrest about the jelfs, i could say , what the ordinary people don,t know , any way sylv, getting back to charles harris it was really nice to hear that you knew of harris ,s and telling me about carl and your dear old mom would have known my dad bill stevens, when he died on march the 3oth 1959 aged 42 years the company emplyers had a collection for my dad , and carl looked after my mother financely they sent a large floral arrangements, as well also when i got myself knocked down outside the astoria picture house on the aston cross in 1954;55 the staff at charles harriss sent my dad to bring me alot of goodies, i was in the general hospital for six months , my right leg was completel y smashed and they gave me two/three blood tranfusions to keep me alive in the end , the only way i could walk was to have a metal plate in my leg for the rest of my life. blimey , don,t i wothful on abit i,ll let you go now now slylv , terah for now if you cannot be good be careful, have a nice day, best wishes astonian, ;;;;;;;