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Bus Stops

Bob Davis

Bob Davis
All the city centre bus stops had the route numbers on them as each route had its own stop in places like New Street, Corporation Street. Colmore Row etc.
Sorry David I did not remember the City Centre ones, although in Old Mohawks recent 'they were caught in old photos' picture, the stop there had a number 4 on it and that was not in the City Centre, but thanks for that reminder, I remember the 5a round town, Victoria Square, New Street, Corporation Street, Bull Street and top of Snow Hill
Bob
 

Radiorails

master brummie
As a youngster I was always curious why buses stopped when no one was alighting or boarding. However, by eight or nine years old I had realised - or maybe asked the conductor - so was thus 'in the know'. Two compulsory stops that I recall - although there we lots to be seen all over the city - was one on the Inner Circle 8 down that long hill between Pershore and Bristol Roads (i hope my memory hasn't failed with those place names but it was some 66 years ago) the other was in the narrowing of Wake Green Road as the bus travelled towards the roundabout at ColeBank Road and Swanshurst Lane. I gather that is now widened. There appears to be two reasons for compulsory stops: safety as illustrated in the examples quoted here and necessary for operating purposes.

1582194860478.png This type seems to have been a version between the original blue with white lettering and the later white with blue lettering. The illustration shows the earlier type of post where the disc was placed centrally on the post. The stage sign is self explanatory.
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The later style, portrayed in a photo by Kenneth Harris, shows the post being situated at the pavement edge which was less obstructive than the original style to pedestrians and prams. I assume that was the reason for their introduction, especially in the busy narrow pavements of the inner city streets.
Something rarely seen today, it seems, is this:- E&OE.
 

DavidGrain

master brummie
I find this an interesting photo which was posted by Raymond Nickolds on the Facebook page ‎OLD PHOTOS OF BIRMINGHAM AND THE BLACK COUNTRY. The photo is outside the West Smethwick tramway depot in Oldbury Road. To me that is an old style Birmingham Corporation bus stop but outside the city boundary and on a stretch of road which as far as I am aware was only ever served by the Midland Red tramway replacement services B86 and B87. The only reason that I can think of is that this was in 1939 at the end of this tramway service and BCT replaced all the tram stops with bus stop signs for the whole route as the replacement buses were a joint BCT/Midland Red service even if the BCT did not run this far out of the city.
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Radiorails

master brummie
The photo on post 43 is by R.T. Coxon who took many photos of the city's transport. It seems that the tram style stop plates were removed in the late summer of 1939 as they are visible in photographs in early and mid 1939. I am sure Davis is right on the money when he says they were all BCT even though outside the city boundary, it was as mentioned, a joint service with Midland Red. The Midland has a nationwide simple type of bus stop at the time. Another facet is that some BCT buses operated on the B84 - B87 (Smethwick/Oldbury/Dudley) services occasionally. This was a balancing arrangement in line with the agreement with the Midland Red. In fact BCT bus destination blinds did, it seems, carry those routes on the their blinds for use when needed. The Midland Red ran the occasional B82 (Bearwood) service.
The B prefix was due, I believe, to the Midland Red route system. That disappeared with the PTE.

The routes 70 series, from Snow Hill to West Bromwich and Dudley used West Bromwich signs I believe once outside the Birmingham boundary.
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DavidGrain

master brummie
Thanks Alan for that reply. Back in the early 1960s I worked in Smethwick and I would see an occasional BCT bus on the High Street during my lunch break. Being used to seeing BCT buses where I lived it did not register with me at first, then I thought Hey Whats that doing here? It was on a service to St Pauls Road showing, I think, B85
 

Bob Davis

Bob Davis
Here we go again, somewhere in the system there was a Birmingham round bus stop but it was yellow, I think it is a wartime memory, it was not a tram or trolley bus stop. I am sure,as I can visualise it now.
Bob
I was wrong it was a tram stop, I quote from Robert Harley's Birmingham Tramways;
Page 188 Stopping Stations
iii Yellow Plates. "Cars stop here by request". Same as Blue Plates, but when passing these points and any cross roads adjoining, cars must be driven "Dead Slow"

This is from the Appendix on Rules for Tram Drivers
 
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