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Bus Questions

DavidGrain

master brummie
Ragga there used to be two bus stations on the Wolverhamptron Rd one was for midland red the other one (which I think this Is )is the other side of Oldbury Island and is now an" Asda Supermarket".Dek

Sorry to correct you Dek but the Asda site was over time a Leyland Motors repair shop and a Car Auction site. The Midland Red bus garage was approximately where the Holiday Inn or the petrol station is now at the side of what was Birchley Park now redeveloped. The pub near by called The One and Two Halves when they openned thought that they were on the site of the old bus garage so they borrowed a Birmingham Standard bus for the openning ceremony. Midland Red fans like me thought that this was sacreligious
 

dek carr

gone but not forgotten
Thanks for that correction David i am not a bus man i remember it being a Car Auction i thought it was a bus garage before that. Dek
 

Lloyd

master brummie
The Asda was indeed originally a Leyland repair depot - I remember the excuse to the workers as to why it had to close was that the foundations were poor, and the walls in danger of collapse. Time has proved the untruth in that statement!
 

motorman-mike

Brum visitor who stayed.
Obviously the same Building Inspector who told West Midlands the same about ex BCT Selly Oak garage, still going strong today as a self store warehouse and ex Midland Red Sheepcote Street garage only demolished to make way for redevelopment from being an active ambulance repair works.
 

mossg

master brummie
Hi ragga,i think the first picture was taken in Newtown Row,with the Ansells sign outside The Clements Arms.
Moss.
 

DavidGrain

master brummie
I would say that this was the junction of Wellington Road with Hamstead Road/Handsworth Wood Road. I have not been past there for a few months so I stand to be corrected if I am wrong.

Of interest to me is the fact that the driver has the windscreen open. I don't think I knew that you could do this with those buses.

241 DOC was new in 1962 and was the first Daimler CRG6 with Metro-Cammell bodywork. Birmingham Corporation had purchased 11 Leylands in 1961 which were the first front entrance double deckers in the fleet
 

dek carr

gone but not forgotten
Quote--- I would say that this was the junction of Wellington Road with Hamstead Road/Handsworth Wood Road. I
have not been past there for a few months so I stand to be corrected if I am wrong.

David i would say you are correct in your assumption. Dek
 

Thylacine

master brummie
That's a lovely bus picture, Ragga. Any idea of the date? Clearly 1962 or later (thanks David), but I was looking at the young fellows on the bench: longish hair and flares! 1970s???
 

Lloyd

master brummie
It is Wellington Rd / Handsworth Wood Rd jcn, the bus is heading for Church Lane having come from Perry Barr direction. Here is that point now, the house, wall and a bench are still there!
These were the last buses in the fleet with openable windscreens, a boon in hot weather like today - but the flies in your face were a nuisance!
It has a 'West Midlands' fleetname, so the date is after the takeover of the corporation's transport department in 1969 after the 1968 government transport act.
3241 was the first of the first batch of Daimler 'Fleetline' rear engined buses bought in 1961, one of ten (3241-3250) which alongside similar Leyland 'Atlantean' buses 3231-3240 were the test-beds for the new fleet to replace the open rear platform buses that had run in the city previously. They operated most of their lives with conductors, one-man operation of double deckers was still a way off.
 

ragga

master brummie
View attachment 52464

Thank you Lloyd for your imformation regarding the Leyland Atlantean fleet
and i think the person you can see standing on the platform could be the
bus Conductor .
heres another photo of the same fleet seen at Perry Barr.
ragga :)
 

john70

master brummie
This could have been in the early 70s when the Atlanteans were based at Yardley Wood, I was there then and loved these buse personally, and we had then on the 90s to Pheasey Estate from Hall green occasionally.
 

Lloyd

master brummie
Now in your second picture ragga you see how the 'DOC' registered buses were converted for one man operation almost at the end of their lives - the old BCT style destinations, an inverted 'T' display changed by the conductor upstairs, had to be altered so the driver could operate them from his cab - the lower 'one line' display spoiled the design of these buses, I think. Note also the yellow 'Pay as you enter' plate on the front, in use on one man buses until all the conductors had gone.
 

DavidGrain

master brummie
I agree with Lloyd that the one line destination spoils the design of the body. Both the Laylands and the Daimlers had the same bodywork by Metro Cammell so you can see the difference in the destination blinds by comparing the two photos. Also after a few years the seating capacity was increased from 72 seats to 76 seats by adding 4 seats to the lower deck. Also if you look at the Daimler you see the small blind which showed TO CITY or FROM CITY to tell you which way the bus was going as Birmingham Corporation always showed the outer terminus even when travelling into the city. As this bus was on the Outer Circle this blind was of course blank.
 
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Thylacine

master brummie
I can't answer either of those questions definitively, Salvator, but I suspect the answer to the second is "no". I lived in Sutton in the period 1959-1964, but have no recollection of Tudor Rose. Does anyone know the story of Harper's coaching arm? (Welcome to the Forum, by the way!)
 

Bob Davis

Bob Davis
Tudor Rose Coaches were based in High Street Sutton. They wer owned by the Hastilows who lived in Court Lane opposite the terminus of the 5a (The Spinney). This from memory when I lived in Court Lane and went every day to BVGS.
 

oldMohawk

master brummie
When we used to go on away trips in the 1950s from the old Spring Hill Ice Rink to other Ice Rinks we used a local coach firm whose coaches were light blue in colour. Can anyone remember the name of such a coach firm in that area. I can remember coming back from Richmond in London along the old A34 (no motorways then) watching the dawn break as we came through Woodstock, Shipston-on-Stour, and Stratford towards Brum.
 
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